I think limiting our thoughts on this matter to just "Hardcore" and "Casual" is over-simplifying the different groups of gamers that exist. Sure there's the "Try-hards" or "No-Lifers" that will muscle through any/all boring or non-boring gameplay to get the best gear/hardest maps completed/most bragging rights, but there's several other groups as well. I'll give you a couple of my different definitions. These usually work with any type of game, but obviously my definitions will be tailored to the Dungeon Defenders current community. Try-hards - The people that play the game TOO much, probably to an unhealthy degree. These people have made the current game they're playing their focus. They will log in all the time, and try to "be the best" (whatever the current definition of that is at the time). They are playing the game to feel better than other players and feel proud of the amount of time they spend playing on a regular basis and the personal progression that they have achieved. These players often play so much that they end up burning out, and end up going to some other game that can sate their needs for constant player progression. On a positive note though, these are the people that often find exploits, set the meta, and often figure out builds quickly. Dedicated Hardcore - These are the people that are dedicated to Dungeon Defenders and/or [Insert other games here], but also enjoy the end-game potential. These are the people that consistently come back to the game to play the new patches and experience any/all new content that is available. This group of players might go hang out in other games, but always have their eye on the current game that they're dedicated to and eagerly await further updates. They might join the RPG group or RQA to help development of the game in addition to experiencing new content on their personal accounts, or they're involved in the community in some other ways outside of the game. (This is the group that I feel that I'm a part of.) Dedicated Casual - These are the people that are semi-casually tracking the progression of the game's development, and they might check out new patches here and there, but they're really waiting for the game to be in a more finished state because they enjoy more modern polish on their games and don't want to spend a lot of time in an unfinished product because they don't have a ton of time to game in general, and want to spend it on finished products. Other members of this group can include ex-hardcore Dungeon Defenders players that may have had more time in the past and were hardcore in DD1, but don't have as much time to game anymore and are waiting/watching when DD2 will be worth getting back into. Carried Casual - These are players that like playing and advancing their characters in the least amount of time possible. They'll join streamers and other hardcore player's games to quickly boost their characters and get the fastest feeling of personal progression satisfaction that they can. Often these players will burn out extra fast on the game. They don't usually track Dev Logs or Devstreams or the progression of the game's development, they just want to play, have fun, and feel powerful in a timely fashion. My definition might be veering towards the negative, but this is a huge part of the gaming community and honestly this kind of gamer helps to boost player numbers of the game and they like feeling like they're part of a popular product. Fun-centric Casual - These are players that are checking out the game because a friend, community liason, streamer, or some other source told/compelled them to. They'll check the game out for a little, and if it's the type of game that they enjoy, then they might evolve into another player group, but often these people don't play a lot or have a lot of time to play, so they're looking for a quick satisfying experience. These are the people you'll find playing Blizzard games, CS:GO, League, etc. Usually games where they can get a quick round/match/whatever in and feel like they had fun during their time set for leisure. Currently these gamers are probably gravitating towards Overwatch. Flippant Casual - These people are here because maybe the game's just new and they wanted to check it out. Or they saw that it was free and so they check it out. Maybe someone recommended it so they'll give it a brief play. These people usually don't stay for long, or get bored because they usually solo games. These people don't often try to find other people to play with and will leave an un-finished game experience VERY quickly. There might be more to this list, but this is essentially what I was thinking about when I saw this thread and it's what came to mind.