"The Rich Get Richer" part 2 (no flames please) in General Discussion Posted December 13, 2011 @theguy: iUMF takes 1 hours from tavern crystal to rewards. those 30 minutes is just combat time, not including build time. Another thing I've noticed while reading your reply's is that you see mana gains per map as something that should net you millions. You are not considering selling pets from the shop. I said a few times over these forums that glitter insane or hard could give you good to great pets to sell. I'll agree with another poster that you complain about your wife and kid about lack of play time. my question is if you have a wife and kid why are you so focused in beating insane umf? shouldn't you be spending more time with them and less with this game? I suspect that you will not be playing after the new years. Now maybe i missed it, i did skip 4 pages, what is the layout you have been using?this is mine. and p.s. open mode is for anything goes, even cheating and exploiting. i personally love that mana map to test out max damage of weapons, armor and pets. I never once complained about my wife and kid... period. I am stating that I have 1-2 hours of play time in a sitting... usually when they are both in bed... they obviously have always... and will always for ever after take top priority in my life.... That being said... my complaint is currently with the division of the progression system. While I have 1-2 hours of play... and I am willing to invest that time night after night.... I will never progress to UMF "properly" through running up the upgrade progression chain... because the 30->45 ups are currently locked in HOURS long maps... and the latest 30-50 min map that has 40->60 ups and 15-20mil mana/hour would have been unattainable to me... and basically just out of grasp.... Locked in to 20-28 ups with 4-6mil mana/hour.... how long until UMF? (I get that, yes, there are "people" disproving this statement... there were also people who attempted to down the Lich-King in WOW wearing only green items... that doesn't mean anything to you possibly... but there are absolutely a set of people who LOVE to max-challange themselves by thinking so far around "the box" that they are able to figure some crazy off-the-wall tactics or whatever.... I may know some martial-arts... but does that mean I want to get into a fight with 6 gun-wielding goons? No... not my thing, sorry) For those of us actually attempting to "progress" to UMF following, say, 300-350 skills + 100-150k DPS... it's very very very challenging and time consuming.... it's all about Mana... and currently the mana gained from "stage 1" of the game is too low... and "stage 1" players have ZERO to offer the AFK.... bah you know what? Forget it. Holy ****... this is so not worth my time. You guys are right... I'm wrong. Enjoy your game with 100 people playing it. You obviously don't really want my feedback.... none of you do. This game is PERFECT with ZERO flaws. I am bad. GG. The end. Etc. I've obviously failed in 2 threads to make my point. So.... this is me saying no more. I'll tap out for good. Too bad. Because I actually do love the game. It's a shame there is a very wide gap between start and end. Peace out.