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Hey Guys,

So I can complete Aqua NMHC Survival but struggle on KG after wave 21 ish. Is there an in-between map that is easier than KG but drops better than Aqua?

Or maybe my strategy in KG is wrong, usually get done by ogres coming from north and smashing my crystal...

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I'm in the same situation. I found Sky City to be somwehere in the middle, i got some ultimate drops on it, and difficult-wise it's somewhere between aqua and kg. I'd rate KG being 4-5 levels easier than Sky City. So wave 20 on KG = wave 24-25 on Sky City.

About KG, tbh i don't see any of the ones on the forum working, i lose with any of them at wave 22 or so, with some variations i can get to 25ish...

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Most of the ones in forums seems to be for around 3k ish stats which I don't have I'm between 1.8-2.6k.

Sky City yeah? Hmm I'll give that a go but I need to do NM Campaign first. How much harder is it compared to Aqua?

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Moraggo is also a decent option for drops. A decent trapper makes moraggo fairly easy and i have found the drops for the last 5 waves to be as good as sky city and you dont lose gear down the hole.

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Sky City vs Aquanos

campaign : i'd say sky city is easier, asuming your jumping skills aren't a problem (getting on and off the ship). sky city has less choke points, more build time, boss is easier to deal with

survival : depends on your build approach, for me wave 30 on aqua ~ wave 26-28 on sky in terms of difficulty. but you need to take into consideration : a.i don't use a proper aqua build, as i'm dependent of Deadly Strike towers and b.I'm trying to 'keep' all drops on ground on Sky City by protecting 2 crystals, not 1 as most people do.

Regarding KG, tbh i don't believe any of the forum builds actually work (at least not at the stats they are said to work), as i've said i've tried variations of most ideas i've seen here, and none of them gets me passed wave 22~, at 3k summoner stats. Hoewever by using funky builds such as : leaving the upper crystal unprotected or dropping harpoons for traps or using PROTON BEAMS (probably the most useless thing out there), gets me to 25-26, and even then the archers fall. That's why i don't believe a word i see in those 2k~ builds here. Those builds may work, but just not under 4k~ stats

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1.5k really? Hmm i'm not quite sure, the problem I find are the ogres rather than the trash mobs which the gas traps don't work on them if I'm right?

then again the builds I've seen none of them really cover the crystal properly so later waves, one ogre somehow still finds it's way a little too close to the crystal and boom 1 or 2 hits and crystal gone. Sky City I've just been a bit wary of ppl saying drops going missing through the holes.

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i've tried this map mostly trap based, because harpoon-wise nothing seems to work. At least for me. Can you tell me what's the secret of gas traps stopping ogers pawning the lower crystal archers ? And the lower crystal can't stay unguarded like the upper, cause i've tried that ...

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Once again, when farming armor it is more important to use a map that you can consistently complete either solo or with multiple afk characters than try and farm a harder map. Aquanos is fine for you, hell, even misty if you add the afk chars. You are prolly just fed up with aquanos.

Remember, loot quality caps in all shards maps and KG and the like. Once that happens, what really matters is the amount of mobs you are killing.

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Most of the ones in forums seems to be for around 3k ish stats which I don't have I'm between 1.8-2.6k.

Sky City yeah? Hmm I'll give that a go but I need to do NM Campaign first. How much harder is it compared to Aqua?

My stats are about the same as yours and I actually find Sky City survival easier than King's Game, although perhaps it's because I try KG on Mixed Mode. I've yet to actually beat KG on NMHCMM, furthest I've got is wave 29.

Anyway, this is the build that I use on complete Sky City (non mix):

http://ddplanner.com/?l=16239,sky-city-nmhc-survival

It's based on Commish's build (his video guide) and works really well, even with 4 chars (3 AFK, 1 active Summoner flash healing). On the odd occasion I have lost due to gold wyverns 1 hitting the South crystal, but this happens maybe 1 in 20 tries.

For Sky City Campaign, I use a ever so slightly tweaked build by MadeInLondon:

Wave 1: http://ddplanner.com/?l=11424,sky-city-campaign-nmhc-w1
Complete build (my tweak): http://ddplanner.com/?l=16060,sky-city-campaign-nmhc
Complete build (MadeInLondon): http://ddplanner.com/?l=11420,sky-city-campaign-nmhc
North: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184334739/FD21206E0807BE230D8068A1C423C731F8BC467C/
East: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184336366/0D6CE49790DD3BC663A5465D75CFAD3351EFE29D/
South: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184332425/9B0C581363C696AF0A2A325BB6DB3B3E9982506A/

The only hard part is building everything in time during the build phases, but a little practise makes it trivial. The boss is difficult on Hardcore mode as it's easy to fall and die.

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My advice from the position of player with all characters 4,5k+ and 1400+ hours played:
1) Find full good trans armor sets for your builders on Aquanos, which means 4*560=2240 stat bonus without character skill points
2) Find good kobolds (at least 3x600 in build stats) using MadeInLondon's Kobold farm, which means +600 stat bonus. Now we are at 2240+600=2840
3) Spam Akatiti Jungle NMHC campaign for farming good builder weapons. If you have luck, you can find some good ultimates, which is another +600. Now we are at 2840+600=3440. For trapper you must spam KG NMHC campaign to find some ultimate Pawn shots

Now you have 3450 in gear stats only, add character stats, and you have 4k+. Then you can do nearly anything. As you may see, you do not need to farm immediately supreme or higher armor gear. Just find good trans armor set gear, which can be found on Aquanos easily.

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Most builds on KG are getting me to wave 25, or 30, depending on the tiles I get. The "defence : upgraded" tile helps a lot. So I spend most of the time with my summoner in shift phase, flash healing and running between tiles.

If I spent too much time without getting the "you have mana" tile, I have to re materialise, which can lead to my demise and, often, the end of the survival run.
Falling of the edge also ends the run more often than not, as I can't FH.

If someone has a build where you don't need to FH, nor to fully upgrade, and can bring in AFKs, all that with stats under 4500, I'll take it.

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I'm not quite sure if we are on the same page, i'm strictly talking about NMHCMM, i don't play NMHC. sure the builds may work on NMHC ... the problem with the 'stuck mobs' block ogers is this : the mobs have very low hp, they die even before archers can spot them, let alone block ogers.

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My stats are about the same as yours and I actually find Sky City survival easier than King's Game, although perhaps it's because I try KG on Mixed Mode. I've yet to actually beat KG on NMHCMM, furthest I've got is wave 29.

Anyway, this is the build that I use on complete Sky City (non mix):

http://ddplanner.com/?l=16239,sky-city-nmhc-survival

It's based on Commish's build (his video guide) and works really well, even with 4 chars (3 AFK, 1 active Summoner flash healing). On the odd occasion I have lost due to gold wyverns 1 hitting the South crystal, but this happens maybe 1 in 20 tries.

For Sky City Campaign, I use a ever so slightly tweaked build by MadeInLondon:

Wave 1: http://ddplanner.com/?l=11424,sky-city-campaign-nmhc-w1
Complete build (my tweak): http://ddplanner.com/?l=16060,sky-city-campaign-nmhc
Complete build (MadeInLondon): http://ddplanner.com/?l=11420,sky-city-campaign-nmhc
North: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184334739/FD21206E0807BE230D8068A1C423C731F8BC467C/
East: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184336366/0D6CE49790DD3BC663A5465D75CFAD3351EFE29D/
South: http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/938127448184332425/9B0C581363C696AF0A2A325BB6DB3B3E9982506A/

The only hard part is building everything in time during the build phases, but a little practise makes it trivial. The boss is difficult on Hardcore mode as it's easy to fall and die.


This seems to be a good build, I just have trouble on the south crystal, sure I can't upgrade anything at all on the south crystal? Will Djinns get it as soon as I upgrade anything?

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