Mana value of time - NOT INTENDED FOR SUPER RICH

Okay, so if you're so rich that time is more important than mana, please don't skew the results of the poll :)

The idea behind this is back in the day it would take you XX number of minutes (i.e. 30 minutes) to farm Y number of mana (i.e. 2b). So, approximately how much mana do you think you can reasonably farm for each 35 minutes of game time invested.

TO CLARIFY: I want an average of how much you make when you're trying to farm mana (if you play for 2 hours, spend 20 minutes setting up afk shop, come back and have 20b mana, take <20b / (140 minutes / 35 minutes)> = 5b).

When I say "not for the super rich" I mean don't include you making mana by farming a really rare item and selling it on forum for 2 cubes, I just want "normal activity" for results.

Poop, I clicked wrong thing :( Also, I was going to put 5bill, that's assuming I had already built for a survival. I could have put more than 15bill if it was selling things in shop, but if it was just for quick building (ie. one reg campaign run), probably closer to 300mill.

Just advanced my ranger to level 99 and really enjoying after-wave 40m D:
Where do you farm so much?

Aquanos w/3afkchars 18->30 + after afkshop with trans-sup-ult loots

If you are going to use afk shop items, don't forget to include farming time & time of setting up shop and break that down to how much mana per 35 minutes, so if it takes you 1.5 hours to farm & set up shop and shop makes 15b, you've made less than 5b in 35 minutes.

I couldnt make 5 bil in a hour

Aquanos w/3afkchars 18->30 + after afkshop with trans-sup-ult loots

We did it to wave 20 or 21 but then the core was destroyed by one hit :| It was full HP and then bang! We lose.

I couldnt make 5 bil in a hour

That's because things are vastly different on console?

I couldnt make 5 bil in a hour

I'm with this guy ;), 2B is fairly high...

You can't make billions of mana in 35 minutes of actual playing of the game. Maybe if you start on the 2nd to last wave of a survival and turn around and sell all the good loot form it *immediately*, but he's asking about how much mana you can make WITHOUT wheelin 'n' dealin as far as I can tell. If I burn through waves fast, MAYBE a few hundred million. certainly not billions- not in 35 minutes.

That's because things are vastly different on console?

I play PC im a PC event host ive logged over 1000 hours on PC DD
lol i havnt played the xbox version in months

That's because things are vastly different on console?

Lol way back on console there was a mana glitch, drop an item of high value, and right before it goes to next wave you pick it up. Says it was sold, but you still have the wep and a ton of mana. Mana is worthless on console.

You can't make billions of mana in 35 minutes of actual playing of the game. Maybe if you start on the 2nd to last wave of a survival and turn around and sell all the good loot form it *immediately*, but he's asking about how much mana you can make WITHOUT wheelin 'n' dealin as far as I can tell. If I burn through waves fast, MAYBE a few hundred million. certainly not billions- not in 35 minutes.

I wasn't thinking of the 35 minutes in the short term but the long term, I suppose. 35 minute farm of KG starting at wave 18 will easily net me 15b+ in AFK shop armor and mana cleared per wave. My apologies if I skewed the results.


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The Glitch still exist on the console as well as the glitch when you upgrade the elemental damage of a weapon and the value you gain in weapon price is more than you are putting into the weapon itself.

[QUOTE]35 minute farm of KG starting at wave 18 will easily net me 15b+ in AFK shop armor and mana cleared per wave.[/QUOTE]that's understandable- I took the OP to mean how much mana you make while actively playing for that amount of time- not what you sell after the fact (because he said "NOT FOR THE SUPER RICH" is what made me think it that way)

The Glitch still exist on the console as well as the glitch when you upgrade the elemental damage of a weapon and the value you gain in weapon price is more than you are putting into the weapon itself.

at least they fixed the apprentice animus glitch where you could upgrade projectile speed really high and it would make it worth more

I find the thread's title ironic considering the obvious bias in the choices.

I, for one, never run an afk shop anymore. It's kind of pointless when the game likes to boot me from ranked at every steam connection reset, which has been very frequent this past week. I also avoid trading for the most part(my recent trading of humongous eggs was one of 3 trades I can think of since I started playing). I get what I get when I farm, and I give away what I don't need.

Honestly, I just don't care about the mana. I care more about having fun with the game. If I get to the point where I'm just grinding mana or gear to trade, I'll quit just like I did in May.

I dont farm armor, I buy it from shops. The only thing I farm anymore are kobs when I am broke. I get 4 per run and then sell for close to 100 bil depending on stats. So, 1 hour shop time, 1 hour run time.... Armor wise, I can spend 1 hour running shops, 1 hour upping pieces, from there I can sell them for anywhere from 35 bill to a cube. Either way, both ways are greater than 15 bil every 35 minutes.

Not intended for the super rich.
All poll options larger than hard mana cap.

just straight farming mana, if you do like, aquanos nm survival, with looting everything between waves, and selling at wave end, you can make a couple billion in about 40 minutes. bring in AFK controller characters and you can easily get 5 or 6 billion.

or you could just troll the traders and get all the cubes floating around and vendor them ~

but yeah, with the specific intention, doing things right, i would say its not unreasonable to make 6 billion.

You can't make billions of mana in 35 minutes of actual playing of the game. Maybe if you start on the 2nd to last wave of a survival and turn around and sell all the good loot form it *immediately*, but he's asking about how much mana you can make WITHOUT wheelin 'n' dealin as far as I can tell. If I burn through waves fast, MAYBE a few hundred million. certainly not billions- not in 35 minutes.

No, I mean on average, how much mana do you make for 35 minutes of invested time. I don't mean in exactly 35 minutes, I mean if you're playing for say 2hours 20 minutes, you'd divide the amount of mana you make by 4 to get a number.

I wasn't thinking of the 35 minutes in the short term but the long term, I suppose. 35 minute farm of KG starting at wave 18 will easily net me 15b+ in AFK shop armor and mana cleared per wave. My apologies if I skewed the results.

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It's not skewing the results if you akf shop the stuff and are counting the time it takes you to put all of the items in your shop and price them.

that's understandable- I took the OP to mean how much mana you make while actively playing for that amount of time- not what you sell after the fact (because he said "NOT FOR THE SUPER RICH" is what made me think it that way)

By super rich, I'm excluding people who have 50+ cubes and will pay 4x the value of items just because their time is too valuable to spend farming something (or they're too lazy).

This thread is not for super rich and starts from 5B mana/35 mins?

I dont see anyone farming for actual mana in this game. Mana cap is 600M at the end of the wave. You could bypass that by upgrading weapons and selling those at tavern. I dont see that as a fun playstyle for anyone. Specially since hackers can make as much mana as they want.

Super rich = people with 20+ cubes of wealth. Most mana farming takes place in the way of setting up afk shop, but you can also still make mana the old fashioned way with OMF or survival, etc by taking in weapons and upgrading them to sell later as tokens.

After reading you thread, I have tried to experiment.

Took about 1hr 15mins to complete Aquanos NMHCMM starting from wave 16. Thats 75mins, I assume it to be 70mins in this case.

Result: 950m+ / 35mins. I emptied my inventory in preparation for the game, and looted a full inventory of armors to sell to tavern during the last wave. Imagine me frantically picking up everything before it'd disappear lol!

Upgrading was done mid-way when i hit 500+m in bank. This amount was including in the mana output.

If you talk about loot sell value, you wouldn't even have 1 billion of income in 35 minutes. However, you can complete Akatiki in that time for example and obtain items which have an aaverage market value of few billions (hard to estimate).

Thta's how economy works - power players farm good items and sell it to mid-level players for billions of mana, and these mid-level players spend hours on farming mana and making tokens. Just like real life :P