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DunDef Digest 9/6/12 Discussion Thread

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It's also advertised as Co-op. But I'm not going to get into that debate again.

You CAN beat the game single player. It's just harder. If you're finding it too hard, why not take advantage of the features available to you without even buying anything, and grab a friend and play co-op? Why are you so resistant to that idea? If you aren't because you have no one to play with, anyone on these forums would be happy to team up with you.


I've already been over this. I refuse to play with people who use the Summoner and EV in Nightmare builds, because even if I don't personally lose money over somebody playing the class, it still shows weakness in what I stand for. So no thanks for that.

I could always play with people without using the DLC's, I suppose, but the chances of finding someone who hasn't bought/traded for their gear OR gotten it with the help of people who did purchase the character DLC's is next to none in public games. Even if I did set up something on this forum asking for help, I could just get someone claiming to get their gear without any use of the EV or Summoner who actually did (or got it via use of trading, etc) and I wouldn't even know. So playing with others without having a rather intimate knowledge of their previous DD history would be problematic, to say the least. I'd venture to say its darn near impossible to find someone meeting those qualifications.

All my friends bought the DLC or traded for the gear (they all quit due to the grinding issue, something I don't have as much of a problem with but still needs to be addressed)- so even if they hadn't stopped playing they'd always give me gear to use whenever I played with them, which I'd promptly return after the session was done, never picking up any loot because I don't believe in feeding into this bad DLC system.

And as always, even if there is a single-player component, I shouldn't have to feel its necessary to jump into multiplayer to progress if I don't have to. I shouldn't be punished for picking solo over multiplayer in a game that offers both options. That's good game design. The current player balance situation, however, is most certainly not. I haven't seen progress from beginning to end of Nightmare get done without a summoner and EV, and I also haven't seen it done solo. Your claims of it being possible solo and without DLC characters aren't really justified, seeing as you most likely haven't done it yourself. I doubt you know anybody who has (no offense).

Guess what Carl. This is a gaming BUSINESS. Their goal? Make money while having fun (Not a feat many people can achieve...)


Astonishing news, except the rise of indie game developers who develop a game for the sake of developing it (instead of pushing out similar titles year after year for 60$ a pop) isn't exclusive to Trendy. There's been quite a lot of successful Indie game developers over the past 2 years emerging to show big name publishers that they aren't as necessary as they used to be, and that letting developers do their thing still leads to quality games being made. What I haven't seen, however, is the rest of them resorting to such cheap tactics in order to get me to spend more money on DLC (No offense to Trendy if this truly is just a massive balance overlook, but in either case it needs fixing).

Also, the concept that "Trendy is a business" does not give them a free pass to make DLCs like the summoner and EV practically a requirement for advancement. There's a reason why people don't like EA and Activision- they're businesses that will do ANYTHING in the pursuit of profit.

They release a game for 15$ that has more content than most games released for 60$.
They release MORE content for 3-5$ each or so that adds EVEN MORE hours and hours of entertainment.


The current amount of content they have pushed out also does not excuse them from making such horrible business decisions as making DLC characters practically necessary to beat DLC's. Trendy's ability to push out content does not excuse them from their obligation to make sure its all doable with the original 4 characters only.

Easy-Insane is very easy, I started on hard, skipped insane and went straight to nightmare. Guess what, most of it was solo


That's nice, did you do it without EV and/or Summoner?

And you said most of it was solo. Most does not equal all, and therefore, your argument that "I did it, so can you" can easily be debunked.

Just because you are too much of a tightwad to pay 6$ or whatever for 2 more classes that are ****ing amazing, does not entitle you to be such a whiny brat


And here I thought being 20 disqualified me from being a brat anymore. Its not a question of me being cheap. Its a matter of ethical business practices that keeps me from laying down cash on these characters.

Nightmare mode is JUST THAT. NIGHTMARE. It's expected that you or people you are playing with (YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO OWN THEM JUST PLAY WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES) have EVERY available tool and KNOW HOW TO USE THEM.


Except as I've already stated, Nightmare shouldn't require that people use DLC characters to get to the end game. Nightmare, as a completely separate purchase from the EV and Summoner, should be beatable without having to utilize those two characters, even if I don't have to pay for them personally. Like I said, its a breach of my morals to advance with somebody who was able to progress with these DLCs. So I'm guessing that you just didn't read my previous posts in this thread.

Just because you want to play this game as poor man gimpsalot, does not mean everyone else feels the same way.


The name calling really adds to your argument, just saying. It makes me wonder what kind of language you were calling me before the mod edit.

TL;DR=
BUY THE CLASSES OR PLAY WITH PEOPLE WHO DO OR STFU.

Gungniir out.


I think I've explained myself reasonably well to combat your opinion.

The things that players are asking for are not unreasonable. I can't tell if people truly think that the game is balanced or if they are playing devil's advocate. Finding ways to circumvent lack of balance instead of fixing it is pretty ludicrous. People should be able to beat all DLC with what they've paid for and/or haven't paid for.

The worst part is it's still not too late. People (me, myself, this guy) would come back if there was an attempt to smooth the game out. The fact that players are willing to fix the game themselves just shows how little effort it would take from the devs to balance the game in order for people to return. Instead we just get 'have you tried being carried instead of complaining'?


FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT.

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I'm disappointed on the Q&A - there were quite a few questions that got dodged and left with softballs.


I'm interested to know how you have come to this conclusion.

They said in the question thread that they would only reply to a few, and all the questions they did answer were answered pretty well and honestly.

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I'm interested to know how you have come to this conclusion.

They said in the question thread that they would only reply to a few, and all the questions they did answer were answered pretty well and honestly.

I agree with both of you it did see to awnser the questions honestly and well it didnt feel like the right questiosn to me...
idk but i do think they should continue doing this

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I'm interested to know how you have come to this conclusion.

They said in the question thread that they would only reply to a few, and all the questions they did answer were answered pretty well and honestly.


They answered the smallest form about a question regarding future content, yours - most of us are interested in what they're working on next as it's obviously going to be bigger and better than DD, especially given their recent investor.

I still feel like the King's Game thing hasn't been properly addressed. It was stated originally that it was meant to bridge the gap to nightmare, and it did, and then it didn't, and it still hasn't.

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