DunDef Digest 7/25/12 Discussion Thread

Couldn't TE just release the weapons as free DLC and just mk us pay for the maps?

Couldn't TE just release the weapons as free DLC and just mk us pay for the maps?

They have to pay 10,000 dollars per patch.

They have to pay 10,000 dollars per patch.

I think it might cost more to put out a free DLC than actually just patch it.

Updated the Digest:

Unfortunately, consoles will not be receiving the Shards IV/Crystalline Dimension weapons as we're running up against the memory limitations of the consoles. Instead, players will get good randomized rewards instead. I apologize for the error in the Digest.

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee as hell!!!! I think that is BS I think TE won't let us have these weapons because they are super OP and will make Insane+ easy I think that's what it is!! :p TE doesn't have to lie we can see through it! Just tell the truth! :)

Updated the Digest:

Unfortunately, consoles will not be receiving the Shards IV/Crystalline Dimension weapons as we're running up against the memory limitations of the consoles. Instead, players will get good randomized rewards instead. I apologize for the error in the Digest.

Will this be for both consoles or just Xbox? My understanding is ps3 doesn't have the same patch restrictions as Xbox. I could be wrong though.

Will this be for both consoles or just Xbox? My understanding is ps3 doesn't have the same patch restrictions as Xbox. I could be wrong though.

Fantastic question, this would interesting to hear because that would leave xbox in the dust.

Fantastic question, this would interesting to hear because that would leave xbox in the dust.

No like I said I don't think limitations take a part I say randomizing gear would take up more limit mb like I said since the weapons are super OP they decided not to give them to us cause they know we will tear through Insane+ there's really no need to lie about it :p lol (This is my opinion!)

Updated the Digest:

Unfortunately, consoles will not be receiving the Shards IV/Crystalline Dimension weapons as we're running up against the memory limitations of the consoles. Instead, players will get good randomized rewards instead. I apologize for the error in the Digest.

All I see is ShardsIV/Crstalline Dimension WEAPONS where does it say that consoles are not getting the pet from Shards 4?

All I see is ShardsIV/Crstalline Dimension WEAPONS where does it say that consoles are not getting the pet from Shards 4?

By not saying we're getting it in the OP

really disapointed in all this patch talk. iv never seen such a sad community before...

really disapointed in all this patch talk. iv never seen such a sad community before...

Honestly since Areths death i've never let a game get me down so much :(

Honestly since Areths death i've never let a game get me down so much :(

exactly, misty broken weapons, moraggo good dlc/patch, aqaunos came out early got hopes up then its broken then this epic patch/dlc comes out and we think this is gunna change everything and we dont get the weapons :'(

exactly, misty broken weapons, moraggo good dlc/patch, aqaunos came out early got hopes up then its broken then this epic patch/dlc comes out and we think this is gunna change everything and we dont get the weapons :'(

we dont even know if insane+ is as good as they say. i seen the lab boss with 6 mill health and thats not much at all it will take me like 3 secs to kill it.

we dont even know if insane+ is as good as they say. i seen the lab boss with 6 mill health and thats not much at all it will take me like 3 secs to kill it.

6 mil health is alot for a tier 1 boss, tier 1 is for low levels..

Will this be for both consoles or just Xbox? My understanding is ps3 doesn't have the same patch restrictions as Xbox. I could be wrong though.

This is true, PS3 does not have the same patch size restrictions. The current Dungeon Defenders patch for PS3, as I recall them saying, is substantially larger (over 100mb.) The problem here is: the game is required to have the same content available on both consoles. Microsoft actually makes companies agree to this, in writing, when a downloadable game is released on both 360 and PS3. The PSN port is not allowed to have content the XBLA one doesn't. Microsoft wants to be sure they maintain their domination over the console DLC market, which means they don't want PSN versions of games to launch earlier or be offered with content the XBLA version doesn't have. Publishers will most often oblige these strong-arm tactics, too. Why not just tell Microsoft to piss off, and release games as PSN-exclusives instead? 360 has a much larger installed userbase, and so losing out on 3/4 of your potential customers is not an option. The only financially sound choice is to play along with the tight restrictions that Microsoft imposes.

It makes me sad, too, because the 360 is my all-time favorite console. And I say this as someone who has owned basically every console ever created: from the days of Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, Vectrex, Sega Master System, NES, and onward through the decades. Xbox Live and XBLA took features once exclusive to PC gaming, made them substantially better, and changed console gaming forever. The problem, sadly, is their innovative spirit has not stuck with them over the past few years. They are charging ludicrous fees to developers and publishers, using antiquated update procedures, and giving almost zero promotion to 99% of XBLA games that launch. In that, the downloadable gaming market on consoles is not very lucrative anymore. Only very select, wealthy companies can guarantee a profit on XBLA nowadays. Same goes for PSN. Sony's choice to copy the digital gaming practices of Microsoft, initially a very good thing for them, is now a double-edged sword.

In that, most indie developers are moving to Steam. There, you can do your game on your own terms. You can patch as often as you want, as big as you want, for free. You can maintain control over the price of your game. You can use community input for the betterment of your title, not having the restrictions imposed by either Microsoft or by a funding publisher. I won't even go into the mess that having a big-name publisher usually entails (on XBLA, an small indie developer can't put out their own title. They need to have a publisher attached, and that often results in having yet another company getting unwarranted control over your product.) The console makers need to take a hint from Steam, otherwise they're going to lose their best indie developers. And it goes without saying, whether you ask critics or consumers, that a majority of the most-loved and most-innovative downloadable games have come from indie developers. That's a creative pool that MS and Sony can't afford to lose.

Well at the very least u could just put them in the dlc and not patch it. Sure people who don't buy the dlc couldn't see the weapons but that's better than no weapons at all for anyone.

Once again the console community is LIED to.. In what world would any sound company choose there own greedy profits over future business.. I for 1 will not purchase any further TE products. And I will also be informing my friends of this companys 'shady' business decision...

I had planned to purchase the steam content over the next few Weeks as I just recently got a PC that would play this game rather well.. But after the lies pushed on us im positive there greed and immorality disgusts me to the point of NEVER anything positive about this company or its employees..

I wont judge you but GOD makes his own rules for thieves and liers...

Anomoly out!!!

Once again the console community is LIED to.. In what world would any sound company choose there own greedy profits over future business.. I for 1 will not purchase any further TE products. And I will also be informing my friends of this companys 'shady' business decision...

I had planned to purchase the steam content over the next few Weeks as I just recently got a PC that would play this game rather well.. But after the lies pushed on us im positive there greed and immorality disgusts me to the point of NEVER anything positive about this company or its employees..

I wont judge you but GOD makes his own rules for thieves and liers...

Anomoly out!!!

you must understand, with consoles there ae patch restrictions. And the companies of the consoles have to approve them. its not trendy's fault that you can;t understand what is required for patching games on consoles.

Trendy alread has the maps actually done on PC, they shouldnt be hard to port over to Consoles, its the people verifying the patches that is giving them and the console community trouble.

Iwant to say something Rude. But i cant on here.

Or just charge more for the dlc. $8-$10?

I agree, JD is sexier

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you must understand, with consoles there ae patch restrictions. And the companies of the consoles have to approve them. its not trendy's fault that you can;t understand what is required for patching games on consoles.

Trendy alread has the maps actually done on PC, they shouldnt be hard to port over to Consoles, its the people verifying the patches that is giving them and the console community trouble.

Iwant to say something Rude. But i cant on here.

its not just patching, they dont help out when there game corrupts you, which is an outrage..

its not just patching, they dont help out when there game corrupts you, which is an outrage..

It could be easily abused by people, im still playing the game daily and have been since release and no corrupts whatsoever. I get freezes and soft freezes quite often but so far the game loves me

its not just patching, they dont help out when there game corrupts you, which is an outrage..

We do, indeed. We encourage people who receive corrupt game saves to email us at [email]lostheroes@trendyent.com[/email]. We can't give back what they lost, but we can give them some decent gear and some mana to help them get back of their feet.

Updated the Digest:

Unfortunately, consoles will not be receiving the Shards IV/Crystalline Dimension weapons as we're running up against the memory limitations of the consoles. Instead, players will get good randomized rewards instead. I apologize for the error in the Digest.

If this is the case then I would say you guys owe us console players a free copy with all the shards pack on PC. You can give PC one thing and make us pay the same price and get less content. That's unethical. I'm definitly done with this game unless I'm given the option to go to PC.

So charging more isn't an option?