The game is totaly destroyed by Sharken

you have made a very fun game, not very fun at all.

I just wish you would have waited another 2 weeks so i could have switched to diablo 3 rather than wait until it comes out.

Quoted for truth.. this is how I feel even with 3k tower stats and all other characters for support.

[QUOTE]Part of the problem is the leveling up and gearing ALL of the classes. Having one support class is fine, but requiring most or all of them?[/QUOTE]I can't think of one map where you absolutely must use at least one defense from all 5 heroes with unique defenses in order to win. Rarely do I even feel like I need more than 2. The issue is more that you might need a different combination for different maps. That said, few maps are so inflexible that there's only one/a few viable tower setups.

I wont dispute the pain of leveling them up, however- But this is where going multiplayer helps a lot. Randoms aren't always so hot, but if you get just one friend to play with you, it's really a lot more fun, even if you could have won without them.

[QUOTE]don't like the idea of making a new hero for a single gas trap, cuz it is the only way for stopping th djinns and sharkens.[/QUOTE]It's really not. play around, experiment! You will find other ways (But even if you insisted on it, you don't even need to fully level a huntress for a gas trap to be useful- Just throw tower gear on that hunter you already have. My Huntress isn't even 74 yet and the gas/darkness traps are still effective)

wow. mountain of whiners today.
Sharken is a cake walk. a serious.. amusing cake walk.

put a slow aura INFRONT of your defences..... this worked BEFORE thier charge range got nerfed by 60% and thier build up animation was trippled... slow that down to 15% its origional speed.. it gives you easily 7+ seconds for your turrets to rip him a new one.

tower stats of around 400-600 and we breezed through aquanos mission on insane.. not ONE tower got hit by a sharken.
traps also do wonders of tearing them a new one.
Lightening towers which fire down enemy lines VERY nicely... do wonders agasint sharken.
shock auras further ahead of your lines also help to work him down.

so many ways around them... its not that hard..
so what you cant solo afk with nothing but balistas any more.
most decent builds require slows or traps any ways.. so really NOTHINGS changed.
your just refusing to adapt.

wow. mountain of whiners today.
Sharken is a cake walk. a serious.. amusing cake walk.

put a slow aura INFRONT of your defences..... this worked BEFORE thier charge range got nerfed by 60% and thier build up animation was trippled... slow that down to 15% its origional speed.. it gives you easily 7+ seconds for your turrets to rip him a new one.

tower stats of around 400-600 and we breezed through aquanos mission on insane.. not ONE tower got hit by a sharken.
traps also do wonders of tearing them a new one.
Lightening towers which fire down enemy lines VERY nicely... do wonders agasint sharken.
shock auras further ahead of your lines also help to work him down.

so many ways around them... its not that hard..
so what you cant solo afk with nothing but balistas any more.
most decent builds require slows or traps any ways.. so really NOTHINGS changed.
your just refusing to adapt.

get on my level. but seriously, there is a huge difference between insane and nightmare. insane is a cakewalk, i can afk most maps by the start of the second round. play some survival on misty and come back and tell me that 1 million hp sharkens and 30 million hp ogres are cake ;)

at the lower difficulty levels you can win with really any tool u decide to use.

Yep i'm done for awhile now to. I've tried a variety of different builds on mistymire, nothing works. There is simply no way to stop the sharken. I even got annoyed enough I covered the map in gas and darkness traps, a sharken still eventually go close enough to the few walls i put up and destroyed everything.

Well Trendy got it's money out of me. Thanks for the good game while it lasted.
(Btw i have every character in the game, stats are 1500-2000 level).

Well, so much for soloing games.

One major issue I am having are when ogres and sharks appear near each other and tower defenses focus on the ogres, allowing the shark to ruin my day. And apparently it doesn't matter too much if I have ensnare and/or gas traps, they seem to get through, despite my reasonably high stats.

Just my current thought.

Edit: As I went back and read some other comments, someone mentioned their idea of a solution using the character swap between waves. For myself, that doesn't seem to work out so well. I have 6 characters and it really doesn't matter what kind of combination of switching I use. In fact I tend to do a bit better if I stick with one or two characters.

Edit #2: Another thought that might help things: Every map having increased DU? I don't know by how much, but maybe a little at least.

yep looks like i'm prob done as well. :(
Impossible to solo nowadays.
roll on gw 2.

Good way for trendy to lose players so fast i guess.
Maybe they don't need the money now.

i usualy never reply on forums i read them alot tho. But these sharken are just to strong.

The last 2-3 weeks ive been trying hard to get some descent mythical gear after lot of trying swearing and raging ive finaly been able to kill spider queen on nm and ben able to farm some gear for my characters, even been able to get to wave 26 on misty hc with lot of effort. The point im trying to make is that it took so me so much effort to be able to get where i am now wich im proud of but my character are still not strong enough to able to complete this game. But now these damn sharken arived i can't farm any more gear they just destroy my walls. And again im stuck in the game and unable to gear my characters and progress any further.
If these sharken stay the way they are now well thats just it for me with diablo 3 almost there il just uninstall DD and have some hack and slash fun.

congrats trendy - unless you admit you broke a game that was great the way it was - you've lost another customer... Although I suppose you don't care, as you've already got your money from me.

And to the players who are clearly noobs saying "sharken is easy, doesn't get near defenses". Um... more hp than warriors, almost as fast while charging. When said hp is as high as 1-2mil on the kind of nm survival maps the high end players use - it spells certain doom for your builds. Running around repairing the havok warriors wreaked on your towers was fun enough... when they are moved completely its pretty much an insta kill. (high end play).

Tell you what trendy - I'll give you the solution for free: Make Sharks a really cool enemy that charge your defenses and deliever incredible damage to the walls and towers. Dont let them move them. Nobody will blame you, and this was meant to be a kind of beta-stage of the qftles parts anyway.. fix the mistake and win back respect from your community. Sharkens should pound defenses to hell, but NOT move them. Make a sticky thread poll and you'll see that by a margin of at least 80% I think players will agree.

Otherwise I'm actually willing to stop playing this great game. Perhaps you can release a pre-sharken version for those of us who liked it the way it was?

Oh noes, people will have to cooperate and use defenses from more than one class! I can't solo the hardest levels in the game anymore! I can't sleep through survival!

Give it up, the main problem is just that squires have had it too easy. Sharken need a bit of balancing but they haven't destroyed the game.

Oh noes, people will have to cooperate and use defenses from more than one class! I can't solo the hardest levels in the game anymore! I can't sleep through survival!

Give it up, the main problem is just that squires have had it too easy. Sharken need a bit of balancing but they haven't destroyed the game.

Ok so now instead of squires had it to easy its now harder for squire imposible for other classes?

Lol Sharken are brilliant >.< stop complaining and get creative, where the hell is the fun in an dumb minded easy game, shi*s getting real.
I read all the **** storms, jumped on nm hc, beat umf2, magus to 15(ran out of time) and misty to 20 like I coul before.. Less djinn an spiders make it easy

Thanks for patch trendynet! I love sharken.
I might go back into the game with Patch 4.
Dungeon Defenders game for hackers, as always. Weaker players will no longer have a chance.
Greetings.

a workable solution is that on most maps u can build on top or on sides of the path that sharken takes

you can also build gas traps way ahead, then snare trap and then shield and finally harpoons

by then hes done for :)

Problem is, when you leave something way ahead, it will be desummoned by djinns on the higher waves because you can't leave the "safe zone". Oh and if you "can" leave the safe zone, it's probably earned on higher waves before sharkens arrived ;p

We just lost a survival at wave 23 because a sharken was behind an ogre. My ev wall got pushed away, tower buff beam was destroyed, and all the harpoons were scattered in random directions because of 1 sharken. Unforgivable much?

It's come to a point where it feels like we need 10+ du at every choke to cater to a few monster types. A mob that moves around all your defenses is just horrible game design. You wont even get a notice like you do with djinns. And with maps having a tendency to be much much larger, it doesn't leave much fun left for the soloers and duoers out there.

Lol Sharken are brilliant >.< stop complaining and get creative, where the hell is the fun in an dumb minded easy game, shi*s getting real.
I read all the **** storms, jumped on nm hc, beat umf2, magus to 15(ran out of time) and misty to 20 like I coul before.. Less djinn an spiders make it easy

your ever
A) A Troll
B) Geared

I have already ask this, when you are undergeared, like me and can't join a party because you are kick quickly, how can you farm good trascendant? yesterday i did Mystmire at wave 24, so i get my first transcendant, and today with my transcendant at full level i can't to do more than wave 15. So now how or where can i farm my own stuff now ?

i feel you need to have already all classe at lvl 78 and full transcendant gear for farming "just" transcendant now...
I think all people who say sharken is cool don't have my problem of stuff !

Thanks for patch trendynet! I love sharken.
I might go back into the game with Patch 4.
Dungeon Defenders game for hackers, as always. Weaker players will no longer have a chance.
Greetings.

Nice conclusion.
I'm with 200 hours playing this game, started to get to wave 15+ on NM HC survival, to get trans. gear, and now I'll be stuck with my mythical and with the game...
Only the pre-patch geared people (that always kick us from their games) or the hackers will continue improving.
Perhaps I'll go back to Dota 2... Sadly.

i usualy never reply on forums i read them alot tho. But these sharken are just to strong.

The last 2-3 weeks ive been trying hard to get some descent mythical gear after lot of trying swearing and raging ive finaly been able to kill spider queen on nm and ben able to farm some gear for my characters, even been able to get to wave 26 on misty hc with lot of effort. The point im trying to make is that it took so me so much effort to be able to get where i am now wich im proud of but my character are still not strong enough to able to complete this game. But now these damn sharken arived i can't farm any more gear they just destroy my walls. And again im stuck in the game and unable to gear my characters and progress any further.
If these sharken stay the way they are now well thats just it for me with diablo 3 almost there il just uninstall DD and have some hack and slash fun.

So, very true. I am in a similar situation.

Nice conclusion.
I'm with 200 hours playing this game, started to get to wave 15+ on NM HC survival, to get trans. gear, and now I'll be stuck with my mythical and with the game...
Only the pre-patch geared people (that always kick us from their games) or the hackers will continue improving.
Perhaps I'll go back to Dota 2... Sadly.

What is the deal with progression and "high/end" game content? I have been playing since launch and have ~300+ hours in. All my characters (10, one of each class) are between level 55 and 57. I still solo and have about 0 interest in insane let alone nightmare. Not to say there may not be issues with Sharken, but maybe the main issue is that people grind levels and gear like an MMO and then can't enjoy the game for the nifty, quirky tower defence game it is?

maybe the main issue is that people grind levels and gear like an MMO and then can't enjoy the game for the nifty, quirky tower defence game it is?

No, the main issue is that the 'quirky' mobs they insist on adding are introducing mechanics that frankly do not make sense in a tower defence game.

proxy, darkness, electric aura, gas trap, snare aura, and the sharks is going to die easily, the only addition with the last builds, its the electric aura, im really thinkig to remove some turret/fireball for electric auras, now with the buff they do several damage =)

What is the deal with progression and "high/end" game content? I have been playing since launch and have ~300+ hours in. All my characters (10, one of each class) are between level 55 and 57. I still solo and have about 0 interest in insane let alone nightmare. Not to say there may not be issues with Sharken, but maybe the main issue is that people grind levels and gear like an MMO and then can't enjoy the game for the nifty, quirky tower defence game it is?

It's a human thing the wish to evolve. Simply.
But I know there're always people that are naturally slow and happy with it.

No, the main issue is that the 'quirky' mobs they insist on adding are introducing mechanics that frankly do not make sense in a tower defence game.

Um, but outside nm, you only see them in one level, no?

It's a human thing the wish to evolve. Simply.
But I know there're always people that are naturally slow and happy with it.

Chess and Go are still enjoyable without level/gear grinding.

I have no idea what you see outside NM.