Post Patch Info -Tested (towers, skills)

I built every single tower and wrote down all stats, and then upgraded them in full before the patch and after. I also tested special skills that can be meausred with numbers easily. Here are the results. All numbers used are my character's numbers, so i'll post percentages so everyone can relate. I made no changes to charcters inbetween observations.

General Notes
- Patch is v1.02
- About 104 MB in size
- DLC pets still cannot be deleted
- All previous made Animus using one stat upgraded are retroactively fixed (1 Billion now < 200k)
- *exploit deleted* -classic

Apprentice
- no change to Mana bomb, weapon base/elemental damage

Magic Blockade - N/C

Magic Missle - Rate of fire has been reduced 8.7%
* Pre-result 0.23 fire rate, is now 0.25
* Full upgrade to MM rate is then 0.23, so fully upgraded MM rate is now what the old MM rate was at no upgrades.
* DPS up 33% (pre was 886 [591 dmg @ 0.23 rate], post is 1182 [591 dmg @0.25 rate])

Fireball - Rate of fire has been reduced 8.5%
* Pre-result 0.7 fire rate, is now 0.76
* Full upgrade to FB rate is then 0.7, so fully upgraded FB rate is now what the old FB rate was at no upgrades.

Lightning Tower - Damage increased 42.5%
* Pre-result 984 damage, is now 1403

Deadly Striker Tower - Rate of fire increased 21%
* Pre-result 2.53 rate, is now 2.00

All other figures reamin exactly the same.

Squire
- No change to Blood rage effect, circular slice, or weapon base/elem damage amounts.

Spiked Blockade - N/C

Bouncer Blockade - Damage has been reduced 6.7%
* Pre-result 6313 damage, is now 5893

Harpoon Tower - Damage is reduced 37%
* Pre-result 5787 damage, is now 3656

Bowling Ball - Damage is reduced 43%
* Pre-result 6313 damage, is now 3577
* Hidden stat of how many enemies one ball can hit before breaking not yet confirmed.

Slice and Dice - Damage is reduced 39%
* Pre-result 2104 damage, is now 1277

All other figures reamin exactly the same.

Monk
- No changes to this class in any way. Tower/Player boost are the same, weapon base/elem damage is the same, all tower figures are the same.

Huntress
- No changes to this class in any way. Piercing shot is the same, weapon base/elem damage is the same, all tower figures are the same.

I built every single tower and wrote down all stats, and then upgraded them in full before the patch and after. I also tested special skills that can be meausred with numbers easily. Here are the results. All numbers used are my character's numbers, so i'll post percentages so everyone can relate. I made no changes to charcters inbetween observations.

General Notes
- Patch is v1.02
- About 104 MB in size
- DLC pets still cannot be deleted
- All previous made Animus using one stat upgraded are retroactively fixed (1 Billion now < 200k)

Apprentice
- no change to Mana bomb, weapon base/elemental damage

Magic Blockade - N/C

Magic Missle - Rate if fire has been reduced 8.5%
* Pre-result 0.23 fire rate, is now 0.25
* Full upgrade to MM rate is then 0.23, so fully upgraded MM rate is now what the old MM rate was at no upgrades.
* DPS up 33% (pre was 886 [591 dmg @ 0.23 rate], post is 1182 [591 dmg @0.25 rate])

Fireball - Rate of fire has been reduced 8.5%
* Pre-result 0.7 fire rate, is now 0.76
* Full upgrade to FB rate is then 0.7, so fully upgraded FB rate is now what the old FB rate was at no upgrades.

Lightning Tower - Damage increased 42.5%
* Pre-result 984 damage, is now 1403

Deadly Striker Tower - Rate of fire increased 21%
* Pre-result 2.53 rate, is now 2.00

All other figures reamin exactly the same.

Squire
- No change to Blood rage effect, circular slice, or weapon base/elem damage amounts.

Spiked Blockade - N/C

Bouncer Blockade - Damage has been reduced 6.7%
* Pre-result 6313 damage, is now 5893

Harpoon Tower - Damage is reduced 37%
* Pre-result 5787 damage, is now 3656

Bowling Ball - Damage is reduced 43%
* Pre-result 6313 damage, is now 3577
* Hidden stat of how many enemies one ball can hit before breaking not yet confirmed.

Slice and Dice - Damage is reduced 39%
* Pre-result 2104 damage, is now 1277

All other figures reamin exactly the same.

Monk
- No changes to this class in any way. Tower/Player boost are the same, weapon base/elem damage is the same, all tower figures are the same.

Huntress
- No changes to this class in any way. Piercing shot is the same, weapon base/elem damage is the same, all tower figures are the same.

So what is with all of these bull hidden changes they're throwing in here? Why would you lower any of the towers especially apprentice towers fire rate in any way, I mean that is completely and utterly uncalled for b/c that is the only thing that makes them useful, trying to throw a bunch of stuff by us is not a good way to regain our trust. And lol S&D towers cost 8 DU now they are not in any way a replacement for 2 bouncers for the same DU cost lol good job trendy, and to think you guys had been checking and everything for almost 6 months well...thought you guys kind of would've learned from PC players that ninjas nerfs are even worse than ones we know are coming.

360 side still doesn't have a date, but regardless good job, of course we won't get to do this though, if we get the patch within the next month that is.

Great Info!! :)

I'll be working on a new set of generic drop data to update my other thread with, but it took me months to find all of those maximums, so it might be awhile before the new ceilings are found for all of the new drops (including any new generics relative to new stages/skins).

Spiked Blockade - N/C

Didn't they get a HP buff?

Didn't they get a HP buff?

Nope. I tested every single tower in full. no change at all (unless you changed your hero stats).

Apprentice and Squire tower actual attack rates are still slower than the towers displayed attack rates!!!!!

I noticed that Spike Blockade HP stayed the same even though people are saying contrary.

Not a single tower of any class had its HP changed in any way.

Excellent thread.

/short term sticky!!

Thanks for posting this. Helps a lot.

Anyone else's chicken still terrible lol? 1 hit per second and doing 1/2 the damage of an animus with same base? Also looking for a grinding partner for tomorrow evening if anyone is interested please message me here or on PSN.

Well maybe the re is a glitch because my blockades health 100% for a Fact went up. I.also saw bladehappy have blockades with 15k health and I had never seen anyone with health over 12k

Well maybe the re is a glitch because my blockades health 100% for a Fact went up. I.also saw bladehappy have blockades with 15k health and I had never seen anyone with health over 12k

The patch did not affect tower health.

With a naked character with stats at 70 for every stat and the rest into casting rate, my Spike Blockades kept the same attack and health pre and post patch.

Apprentice and Squire tower actual attack rates are still slower than the towers displayed attack rates!!!!!

Is this true? -_- Oh Lord, that's likely what I was looking forward to most: having them actually fire at the rate they say they will. That would offer some needed/fair compensation for the drops in damage (for Squire) and shown fire rate (for App.)

yes or no is Apprentice/Huntress/Monk/Squire Guardians been fixed?

yes or no is Apprentice/Huntress/Monk/Squire Guardians been fixed?

Define fixed?

Is this true? -_- Oh Lord, that's likely what I was looking forward to most: having them actually fire at the rate they say they will. That would offer some needed/fair compensation for the drops in damage (for Squire) and shown fire rate (for App.)

Yes and no.

There seems to be a bit of a debate on that. Yes, they fire faster, but to what they say?
I'm not entirely sure.

Classic posted that his App towers with a speed of 0.38 only attacked twice a second.
That makes sense since the tower can shoot off two full volleys at 0.38 a second.
That makes 2 shots every 0.76 seconds.

But if it tried to attack a third time it's up to 3 shots at 1.15 seconds.
So technically it can only shoot twice in a second. The third shot takes longer than a second to pass before it's shot.

I'm still working on specifics, but they seem to be doing fine.

yes or no is Apprentice/Huntress/Monk/Squire Guardians been fixed?

Guardians, what was wrong with them?

Is this true? -_- Oh Lord, that's likely what I was looking forward to most: having them actually fire at the rate they say they will. That would offer some needed/fair compensation for the drops in damage (for Squire) and shown fire rate (for App.)

- Tower Attack Rate scaling improved to PC specifications
Improved
They are nowhere near their having them actually fire at the rate they say they will

I agree with Abe, they are nowhere near useful. Don't believe me? Check the PC version. Far out performs console with the same stats.

[QUOTE]So what is with all of these bull hidden changes they're throwing in here? Why would you lower any of the towers especially apprentice towers fire rate in any way, I mean that is completely and utterly uncalled for b/c that is the only thing that makes them useful[/QUOTE]

This was in the patch notes improved fire rate even though its hasn't been improved properly. Even though it was said that the attack rate was a certain % slower the fact that the towers can shoot more than 1 shot per a second is an improvment in itself MM towers that shoot 1\sec makes them worthless if they can get 2-3 shots off a sec maybe they will be worth building

I agree with Abe, they are nowhere near useful. Don't believe me? Check the PC version. Far out performs console with the same stats.

I think they are more useful now, but still not to the point where they should be.

This was in the patch notes improved fire rate even though its hasn't been improved properly. Even though it was said that the attack rate was a certain % slower the fact that the towers can shoot more than 1 shot per a second is an improvment in itself MM towers that shoot 1\sec makes them worthless if they can get 2-3 shots off a sec maybe they will be worth building

It said it was going to be improved to pc quality atk rate, and as far as i know from having played the PC version before the magic missles shoot nowhere near the speed they do on pc, even with the same atk rate.

So they didn't fixed the fire rate bug they just made it worst?