This is why there are problems

the last 3 patshes made the cummunity go raging
just as example:
increased pet dmg in nm mode by 12x
decresed pet dmg in nm mode by 40%

the most values in the patshes are going way over board any balancing
i like thjis game and im even willing to spend time by helping to improve it
so here is my suggestion:

im willing to volunteer as beta tester
i wont inform anybody about coming patshes or what is in them will get changed etc

all i need are informations on how i can test it and how i can inform devs about changes going overboard
for this i need actual patsh correct patsh notes to see what really gets changed

backgroundinformation about me:
im from germany temporary living near berlin
24 years old
studiing thoeretical informatic ("theoretische Informatik" in german dunno an english counterpart for it)
have time nearly every day from 18 till 22 o clock
my english isnt the best as you may read but should do for everybody to understand
same for speaking it^^
but im able to understand english completly^^

if this gets read by any def or mod i hope you can inform the persons that needs to know if this is possible

i hope for an answer either per pm or in this forum

and pls at every other user here dont comment what i write this time just use the chance to make your own profile and let see them you wanna help

if this post gets change to an other part of the forum im totally fine with it i just postet it in the patsh notes section because it seemes the most readed

thx for reading

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I do not speak for the beta team but making a post like this probably WILL not help you get on the team I believe.

As such I will be closing it

There is no reason to close that thread, OBVIOUSLY the beta testing team is garbage, and he was simply trying the best he could to improve the team. Ok, so maybe he doesn't make it on the team, but at least the point is made that they should consider using people that actually play the game regularly.

If threads like these are going to get immediately closed down, than I've lost all hope for this downward spiral of patches to end.

What I was going to post in the original topic BUT IT WAS LOCKED, was that perhaps instead of just using only a small closed beta before a patch is released, provide an open beta that anyone who wants to can participate in, this way those that don't like the changes aren't stuck with them and you don't have to do things like pigeon noted in his first post. That would probably be the smartest idea, and the best way to keep the community involved and interested.

Ok, go ahead and lock my post now...

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There is no reason to close that thread, OBVIOUSLY the beta testing team is garbage, and he was simply trying the best he could to improve the team. Ok, so maybe he doesn't make it on the team, but at least the point is made that they should consider using people that actually play the game regularly.

If threads like these are going to get immediately closed down, than I've lost all hope for this downward spiral of patches to end.

What I was going to post in the original topic BUT IT WAS LOCKED, was that perhaps instead of just using only a small closed beta before a patch is released, provide an open beta that anyone who wants to can participate in, this way those that don't like the changes aren't stuck with them and you don't have to do things like pigeon noted in his first post. That would probably be the smartest idea, and the best way to keep the community involved and interested.

Ok, go ahead and lock my post now...

Really? The testers are garbage? How EXACTLY do you know this? How do you know the problem doesn't reside with the devs not listening. Maybe the testers are reporting all of the problems...it is the devs or someone else not doing their job. Funny how everyone just always assumes the problem is with the testers.

The devs make changes, it is the tester's job to make sure that these changes are fair, balanced, and good. The final product is supposed to be a combination of the dev's changes and the tester's feedback. You're right it might not be the tester's fault, but the fact is it's the tester's job to make sure that there aren't any serious balance issues, and currently, there are serious balance issues. In a normal system, this would be the tester's fault (hence the blame), but it is entirely possible that it is the dev's fault.

The devs make changes, it is the tester's job to make sure that these changes are fair, balanced, and good. The final product is supposed to be a combination of the dev's changes and the tester's feedback. You're right it might not be the tester's fault, but the fact is it's the tester's job to make sure that there aren't any serious balance issues, and currently, there are serious balance issues. In a normal system, this would be the tester's fault (hence the blame), but it is entirely possible that it is the dev's fault.

What was brought up in another thread by one of the mods, the testers are volunteers, are not not paid, and are players. That changes the structure a lot. Every act as a volunteer tester before? I have. Your feedback can be ignored quite a bit. Is that happening here? Who knows. But lets not make assumptions and posts about it like you do.

Really? The testers are garbage? How EXACTLY do you know this? How do you know the problem doesn't reside with the devs not listening. Maybe the testers are reporting all of the problems...it is the devs or someone else not doing their job. Funny how everyone just always assumes the problem is with the testers.

Looks like you offended a tester.

Really? The testers are garbage? How EXACTLY do you know this? How do you know the problem doesn't reside with the devs not listening. Maybe the testers are reporting all of the problems...it is the devs or someone else not doing their job. Funny how everyone just always assumes the problem is with the testers.

but people blame trendy all the time. whoever's at fault, i think its in everyone's interest to try to do their best to improve the situation.

one comment by an official (that i can't be bothered to look for reference) stated that the current beta testers were experienced veterans in the game. this may sound great on paper, however they simply cannot beta test the game if their veteran status means they only play charas with 2000+ stats. the game needs to be tested and balanced at all levels, and that could be possible explanation as to why those with ~1000 stat charas are complaining as much as they are. diversity is an important part of a beta team imo.

Their beta tester are elistist, basically already having over 2k stats prior to the patch. What do they know about the average player that are still in the 500 stats range during this patch? =p No mercy for the weak, lol. No way to reach wave 15 to get a chance at better gears, but all their gears for 200m/pp or gtfo XD lol

Trendy is falling a bit into the same path as Everquest II did when it was released years ago.

The difficulty level of the mission is harder than the reward to complete that mission (or previous mission to attain the mission), hence if you are behind the curve, almost impossible to get ahead of the curve without resorting to the in game shops, even then it is limited.

Yup, if you're not much of a socialist to make friends and help each other out, you will have a tough time. It's what made me quit Final Fantasy XIV because I'm so far behind on the curve, and quit Rift because my friends either quit or switch servers. I socialize in the game all the time, but befriending them on steam friend list and such is another story.

Looks like you offended a tester.

I agree with cacodaemon, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I've been a 'tester' for my employer for several years I cannot even begin to count the number of times I flag something as an issue, inconsistency, or even just question something that doesn't seem right only to have it lead nowhere...

A lot of times there are just so many action-items on the schedule that somebody with more decision-making power just steps in and decides the fate of any changes. Sometimes I see my hard work lead to change, other times they clarify what is happening and I end up agreeing with them, but many times what I bring up is either ignored or delayed repeatedly until all of the other stuff they want done first, is done.

As a tester I didn't care how big or small something was, I flag it all and report it. Afterwards I re-test any changes that come back to me, but frankly, if items I flag never come back to me there is almost nothing I can do. Who's to say the testers helping TE aren't experiencing something similar? Something get's released as-is even after I flag it as a possible issue and they come back to me asking why I approved it as-is even though it was taken out of my hands...I can definitely say it is frustrating.

Looks like you offended a tester.

I would never test for Trendy. From time to time I have reported things missing from patch notes...but I stopped doing that soon after they didn't bother to update the notes.

What bothers me is people making ignorant statements as if they are fact when they have no clue as to what they are talking about.

Their beta tester are elistist, basically already having over 2k stats prior to the patch. What do they know about the average player that are still in the 500 stats range during this patch? =p No mercy for the weak, lol. No way to reach wave 15 to get a chance at better gears, but all their gears for 200m/pp or gtfo XD lol

but people blame trendy all the time. whoever's at fault, i think its in everyone's interest to try to do their best to improve the situation.

one comment by an official (that i can't be bothered to look for reference) stated that the current beta testers were experienced veterans in the game. this may sound great on paper, however they simply cannot beta test the game if their veteran status means they only play charas with 2000+ stats. the game needs to be tested and balanced at all levels, and that could be possible explanation as to why those with ~1000 stat charas are complaining as much as they are. diversity is an important part of a beta team imo.

Again, as has been said before, who says it aint the devs that arent listening ?

And i very much doubt that the beta team is only testing with end-game gear.

Their beta tester are elistist, basically already having over 2k stats prior to the patch. What do they know about the average player that are still in the 500 stats range during this patch? =p No mercy for the weak, lol. No way to reach wave 15 to get a chance at better gears, but all their gears for 200m/pp or gtfo XD lol

Do you know any of the beta testers ? no?, okay, then please dont comment on things you dont know anything about :)

Do you know any of the beta testers ? no?, okay, then please dont comment on things you dont know anything about :)

Anyone else smell a tester? That smiley at the end is infuriating, reeks of, "well I do", or "I am one, so your argument is invalid.".
It is obvious from the state of the game and each patch that these testers don't test jack. Also the fact that many of the changes in the 7.16c patch were taken straight from the the "wishlist" thread knox made.

Anyone else smell a tester? That smiley at the end is infuriating, reeks of, "well I do", or "I am one, so your argument is invalid.".
It is obvious from the state of the game and each patch that these testers don't test jack. Also the fact that many of the changes in the 7.16c patch were taken straight from the the "wishlist" thread knox made.

I can guarantee that im not a tester for Trendy.

So it would seem your "obvious" is lacking a bit in the "truth" department.

So please, do try again :)

I can guarantee that im not a tester for Trendy.

So it would seem your "obvious" is lacking a bit in the "truth" department.

So please, do try again :)

So you personally aren't a tester but you avoided the first point. I guess that leaves that you know some one who is a tester, so our points are invalid.

The gm state that they are experience veterans, but it doesn't mean they have been playing from beginning to end from scratch for each new patch. They are mostly likely testing end game using end game gears. It's what alot of dev do; if not, they usually would increase drop rate and lvl rate drastically so they can find the end results quicker. When it does get release, they nerf the exp and drop rate. Reason why is because they want to slow the player down from reaching end game so that they can have more time development new content.

The problem is the status of the drop of better gear is extremely difficult unless you can reach wave 15 in nm survival, but at the current state, it is difficult to get pass the 10th wave even with the gear that are drop in the 15th wave. The drop from nm campaign runs don't even compare.

Also, I made that post in a more sarcastic manner, sadly that wasn't convey in text format.

Anyways, the only way to progress is to do normal nm survival to wave 25, hoping they are atleast equal to wave 15 in hcnm mode.

Is there even beta testers? I mean, I've been beta testing games for years, everything from WoW(when I started) to DotA 2 and Mass Effect 3. I've never before seen a patch such as this one enter the live version of the game. It's almost as if Trendy doesn't even have a beta testing team(someone who's NOT on their payroll, preferably random players througout the country with different system specs/os's). Seems like they're just throwing in patches where the most thought was put in at the dev level with little or no attention paid to the Beta Testers(if there are any).

I'm not trying to diss them, but they seriously need to get their foot out of their asses else they're going to trip.. and bring everything down with them when they fall.

Few things they could do, Offer a public test version of the game. Which allows players to login, copy current heroes and play them to find bug's and test balance changes. Offering an option IN the game(not forums, people who have to post on archaic forums don't normally do for bug testing/balance changes) to report and/or suggest changes to the game. WoW is a great example of this and it's been working this way for years.

Get a larger Beta testing team, Not hard to do, put out a short survey in which players answer a few questions and explain what kind of beta testing they've done and for what games. This way they can get semi-reliable beta testers from the public, mostly the people on the forums that are offering suggestions/balance changes to the game already. Many games do this as well, I was only chosen for the ME3 Closed alpha/early beta stage because I live nearby their office, and I also have Beta tested many games, including Dragon Age, and ME2.

Experience and community matters most here, you want people that know what they're doing. You also need Dev's that realize how important beta testing is, otherwise they will continually put out patch after patch of garbage that practically no one likes *cough* 7.16 *cough*.

Sorry for the long post, I just really enjoy this game and hope to god it won't fail.

that was the reason i made the first thread

my thought were around they need beta testers because their patshes they made did look like they dont use them

after hearing some of you ppl that have expierience in beta testing i now think:

trendy has beta testers i duno how many but i guess they are good ones
and trendy isnt listening to them mostly
so for conclusion it was the right choice of finally to close my hread because i offended the beta testers with it
im sorry for this

but i hope at least that informations about this go to trendy and they will hear their beta testers out

thx for reading me again^^

although it seems that they removed the beta members from the community leaders list, i can tell you that i have a few beta testers on my friends list, and they haven't played this game in weeks.

considering there were only a dozen or two people on the list last time i saw it, that means a noticeable percentage of the selected testers are not even playing any more