How is it even possible to start doing NM? I'm at my wits end

I've gotten to the point where I have 2 options left. Quit, or hack. Getting into NM is absolutely ridiculous. I have a fully geared basic mythic tower app (469,424,289,484 stats) and I find it impossible to even begin to start making my way into NM mode. Sure I could probably do T1/T2 maps, but they don't drop anything worth picking up. I can solo my way to wave 3 on Endless Spire survival, but in the past 6 runs not a single upgrade has dropped. It seems to me, someone who hasn't done many NM modes yet the only way to get into doing NM modes is to either hack your gear, or get someone who has hacked gear to carry you.

Did you try using your tower set on your squire yet? You're stats would have been low for a turret app pre-patch for doing endless spire. and you definately should not be farming survivals yet. I with 1300 tower damage pre-patch couldn't break wave 10 solo with a tower App, and that was while using 1400 THP walls on another app.

Edit: As far as I can tell, NM HC ES will surpass survival gear until about wave 12 if any other map is a decent indicator.

Do Nightmare Spires Campaign Hardcore mode. Wave 7 and 8 will drop gear that's 100-125^, it will only be a couple pieces but the runs go quick and once you have decent build you will make about 10-15 million a run and get at least one piece of 100 gear and only takes 15-20 minutes.

My apps sitting (400/600/350/350) tower stats and "was" (pre-patch) able to solo Spires without any problems with pulling a Apprentice Guardian out for waves 7 and 8. You can get away without on wave 7 but its a gamble that you don't die or towers get wrapped at the wrong time.

And ya, stay away from survival till you get your stats higher.

Go on youtube and search for "MoPower83" find the endless spires guide.

Nightmare maps are not in linear order in difficulty. I find endless wells to be very hard on nightmare.

Go on youtube and search for "MoPower83" find the endless spires guide.

Nightmare maps are not in linear order in difficulty. I find endless wells to be very hard on nightmare.

Also going to be posting a squire guide for spires too which is very easy, I'm almost leaning towards thinking its easier than the app setup. I can do the squire setup without an app guard and slight repairing every few waves. Video guide should be up Fri/sat

I started doing Nightmares in Ramparts nm hc, because you can stand on the roof and spiders will go afk and do nothing. And if you are with a friend, one of you can go invisible as huntress and repair (while another stands on the roof to keep the spiders busy on doing nothing). It gets hard on waves 7 and 8 when the ogre comes, but if you are with a friend it's easy to just repair in invis.

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Try that one, works pretty well. One DST on each crystal, the north wall, and one of the south walls first wave, and you should be able to get everything else done by the end of the second wave. The instant the fist wave ends switch to monk for the auras so you don't run out of time on them. Standing on one of the north statues will kill the spider's AI.

But yeah, like someone else said, they're not in order of difficulty on NM. Deeper Wells is actually one of the harder maps.

If you're still having trouble later tonight when I get on I can help you with some of the easier ones (I haven't actually played yet since the patch, so I'm not sure I"ll be able to do all of them with the nerfs.)

I started doing Nightmares in Ramparts nm hc, because you can stand on the roof and spiders will go afk and do nothing. And if you are with a friend, one of you can go invisible as huntress and repair (while another stands on the roof to keep the spiders busy on doing nothing). It gets hard on waves 7 and 8 when the ogre comes, but if you are with a friend it's easy to just repair in invis.

You can bug the spiders out on spires too, just get on the statues

Go on youtube and search for "MoPower83" find the endless spires guide.

Nightmare maps are not in linear order in difficulty. I find endless wells to be very hard on nightmare.

This.

Or look for the naked nightmare Endless Spires on YouTube. You should be able to easily get to wave 7 of 8 on the nightmare campaign Spires. Each wave after the first gives you four shots at mythical drops, and even some of the random drops from mobs are mythical, with lots of Godlies as well.

This is also a group game. You can look for nightmare games and pick up a few peices of gear while gaming with someone else.

You might learn a few things from them too.

You can bug the spiders out on spires too, just get on the statues

May as well fire up the editor that shall not be named if you're going to exploit.

Cheating is cheating.

This is also a group game. You can look for nightmare games and pick up a few peices of gear while gaming with someone else.

You might learn a few things from them too.

If they don't boot you for picking up gear. Most folks don't seem to realize that there's a max limit of stuff on the ground.

May as well fire up the editor that shall not be named if you're going to exploit.

Cheating is cheating.

Is it cheating to put your towers up on the roof in Ramparts too?

Not sure how standing up on the rooftops or statues is an exploit.

The NM Deeper Wells layout I used. I had substantially lower stats than other people so I had to go a different route on my build. I assume with OP's stats, clearing DW shouldn't be too hard. I will note that mythics don't drop very often on DW :-(

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You might ask why I tried this before level 70, and the answer is for the challenge :-D I had done it on Open with slightly higher stats, and since the fiancee wanted to move over to Trendy, I couldn't wait to try Nightmare again after leveling :-D

Completed Nightmare DW with this layout. (It was not easy with the heroes I list below, but I did it.)

Level 66 Adept 125/200/100/100 Stats.

Level 68 Huntress 70/200/100/125 Hero stats with 87% physical resist and 60k dps. (Outside of nightmare).

Level 68 Monk 150/200/100/50 Stats.

Huntress equipped with: Genie 1000 attack.

Layout is designed for lower stats. First two ogres (wave on and two) lure away from your defenses and keep them on the left side. Take the mana (from the genie) to upgrade towers. If you die, the walk back and the magic blockade will distract them long enough for you to respawn and lure it away again.

For Spiders jumping from side to side away from your towers helps. Their webs mostly splash sideways so if you are in the air, you are unlikely to get hit unless they shoot directly at you.

First wave build:

Ensnare - left
Electric Auras - both
Magic Barricade - left

Goal by end of wave one: Star upgrades on all 4.

After wave one and two, should have all towers and auras built.

If one tower breaks, ogre moves onto next tower instead of hitting crystal. The fireballs in the center must be far enough away from the crystal so that ogre swings wont splash onto the crystal.

The Magic blockades can be walked around, but ogres will normally hit them before moving on, which will rob them off their immunities.

For last waves, switch to an apprentice guardian on the huntress to help with defeating the ogres.

That's a pretty decent layout, MitchellW, thanks for sharing.

If they don't boot you for picking up gear. Most folks don't seem to realize that there's a max limit of stuff on the ground.

Most people are cool if you only pick up one or two peices a wave that you can use. If you run around like a vacuum cleaner, you get booted quick.

I've gotten to the point where I have 2 options left. Quit, or hack. Getting into NM is absolutely ridiculous. I have a fully geared basic mythic tower app (469,424,289,484 stats) and I find it impossible to even begin to start making my way into NM mode. Sure I could probably do T1/T2 maps, but they don't drop anything worth picking up. I can solo my way to wave 3 on Endless Spire survival, but in the past 6 runs not a single upgrade has dropped. It seems to me, someone who hasn't done many NM modes yet the only way to get into doing NM modes is to either hack your gear, or get someone who has hacked gear to carry you.

Hahm now you are going to be stuffed, now they nerfed Apprentice towers, and they claim its only 15%, but the numbers being posted by others here, its *MORE* than that, at *LEAST* 30%.

Hahm now you are going to be stuffed, now they nerfed Apprentice towers, and they claim its only 15%, but the numbers being posted by others here, its *MORE* than that, at *LEAST* 30%.

It was the exponential stat ramp that got reduced. So people with low stats aren't affected too much, people with high states will get more than 30%.

sometimes you just cant do it alone.

got to add a monk with some strength drain, it'll go a long way

u should just keep doing NM ES HC really(and if u cant do that yet start with insane glitter to get some stat gear), thats what i did, after i was able to do bout wave 8-9 i was also able to clear wave 1-2 on NM MM HC. which boosted me up to gear i got now on my apprentice, still not really enuff to beat the last wave on NM MM HC but not very far from and still getting uppgrades if i run it~~. just find a good build for ES to surive the first waves and gear upp slowly

there was some build around with using 3x DST as starting build which was great when i had no gear cuz then u could manage the spiders even if u had crap stats and manage the first wave(s) to start ricing the first myth items :P


also get a genie if u dont it helps tons to clear the early waves cuz u can build up quickly, 90% should be done after wave 1, and if u dont have a monk with ensares lvl one up asap, the diffrence it makes is huuuuge, i had so much problems be4 i started planting ensares.

GL :D

edit: oh and dont be afriad of wasting mana on upgrading the first myth items u get, it will be worth it in the long run, make all armors atleast +10-15 makes life ezier aswell and u get the mana back fast later anyway. and equip a set if u can asap

edit2: if u got an apprentice pet equip it just be4 the wave u start having problems on and it will most likely help u clear it :D

Hahm now you are going to be stuffed, now they nerfed Apprentice towers, and they claim its only 15%, but the numbers being posted by others here, its *MORE* than that, at *LEAST* 30%.

As said it's the exponential ramp that got nerfed.

On top of that, a lot of those numbers involved the apprentice guardian buff, which got nerfed as well.

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Try that one, works pretty well. One DST on each crystal, the north wall, and one of the south walls first wave, and you should be able to get everything else done by the end of the second wave. The instant the fist wave ends switch to monk for the auras so you don't run out of time on them. Standing on one of the north statues will kill the spider's AI.

But yeah, like someone else said, they're not in order of difficulty on NM. Deeper Wells is actually one of the harder maps.

If you're still having trouble later tonight when I get on I can help you with some of the easier ones (I haven't actually played yet since the patch, so I'm not sure I"ll be able to do all of them with the nerfs.)

I recently started transitioning from insane to nightmare. I bought a respectable set of gear for my Adept from player shops (~800 tower attack, 200-300ish in the other tower stats). I was using this layout before the update and won more often than I lost (non-hardcore). Since the update, I've yet to finish. I get through wave 7 no problem, but the towers on the north side of the map get overrun about 1/3 of the way through the wave.

I tried swapping out the lightning towers for an extra deadly striker to the south, an extra wall, fireball tower, and strength drain aura to the north. It didn't seem to go any better.

Really? Geeze... Well, I've got 2 others that might be worth trying, I guess.

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My friend and I put that one together when we were first starting out. It ran into some problems that might make it not work so well for solo, but the squire wall buff might be enough to fix that. South aura is to the east for the ogres, west should be fine on it's own. Outside south DSTs should be just covering the crystals and mostly pointed at the center area, while the inner ones should be covering the crystals and the two DSTs on the other side, as well as enemies coming up the stairs. (Yes, you will take crystal damage from the wyverns - this setup isn't perfect. The DSTs should be able to kill them before they do much, though.) Get all the towers up to 2^ then start focusing on 3*ing the auras. Walls you want to leave unupgraded if you're using a Adept (for cheaper instant upgrade/repair), and upgrade them right behind the auras otherwise. Make sure the north walls are curved out enough that ogre splash won't hit your towers there or the crystal.

What I was doing it with my friend, he would stand on the north crystal with his Huntress and a Hunt Guard while I went around upgrading/upkeep.

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I also tried that one for a while. Worked pretty well, but required a lot of wall upkeep.