HC NM MM Misty - I think you broke something trendy

Which goes back into my theory that I can no longer progress. I'm not sure where you're getting your gear, but with my ~20-25's gear, I'm ~2k tower attack, ~1k on other stats, capped out and I can't make it to the 20's anymore to find upgrades. Therefore, there is nothing I can do to progress and there is no point in me playing any longer. Yes, I've tried multiple strategies and they all failed. Squire towers, albeit better than before when compared to the new apprentice towers, are still practically useless, especially since they cost a lot more DUs.

Thanks Trendy, it was fun for a while. I wish I didn't waste my money on your complete pack now. At least it wasn't much.

ah... if i had 2,000+ stats or even 3,000+

i'd definitely back lagginhard's claim

"1a) Spiders seemed to have no effect on the speed or damage output of the bumpers/s&d's"

BULL****

"1) We went to wave 30 once, then tried the different hosts, map builds, ect never going past wave 12."

with very high stats you can't even get pass wave 12? wtf? 3000+ tower dam... nevermind

have a nice day though and thanks for the layout as it could prove useful when i somehow obtain very high stats one day
(assuming that i will)

4 armor pieces, 468 cap on a single stat with bonus equals 1872
Weapon and pet are capped at 360
120 from level you get 2712

This is true pre wave 20 of hc nm mm misty. however after wave 20 (obviously you've never been there) items CAN have base stats over 400 and rarely in the 500 range with either crap or negative stats in other places. Good try though.

[QUOTE]"1) We went to wave 30 once, then tried the different hosts, map builds, ect never going past wave 12."

with very high stats you can't even get pass wave 12? wtf? 3000+ tower dam... nevermind
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The till wave 12 thing was testing of the kobolds/archers not doing anything.

This is true pre wave 20 of hc nm mm misty. however after wave 20 (obviously you've never been there) items CAN have base stats over 400 and rarely in the 500 range with either crap or negative stats in other places. Good try though.



The till wave 12 thing was testing of the kobolds/archers not doing anything.

I've been past 20 so many times and the best gear I find is usually stuff with a couple 200-250's and 100-150's each with about 180^ and that's damn rare. After 25, you find gear like that a little more often but it's still rare. I don't know what this 400's-500's nonsense is that you're talking about.

I've seen a few low 300's but they're usually poorly optimized and have huge negatives, basically making them worthless.

This is true pre wave 20 of hc nm mm misty. however after wave 20 (obviously you've never been there) items CAN have base stats over 400 and rarely in the 500 range with either crap or negative stats in other places. Good try though.

Nah, I've been past wave 20. I'm aware that there are some extremely rare weapons that can have a single stat in the range of 550, I've never heard of an item documented higher than that. I've also only heard of apprentice staffs, and you're talking about a squire. In any case, your entire story here is ridiculously full of holes. Even if you do strangely happen to have such a squire weapon, that leaves you 100 points short of 3k, and I don't believe anyone has ever documented an armor piece drop above 468. To get to the number you quoted, you would either have to have a weapon with over 660 damage (don't believe that's possible) or a weapon in the known 550 range and either a pet or an armor piece also over the cap. I have never heard of such an item.

It's also a bit bizarre that you happened to have one of these ridiculously rare, over cap weapons for a squire, considering it's unlikely you were using one before 7.16.

There's a forum for item checks. How about posting these items that is taking your builder so far over cap. I don't think there's a single person who is going to believe 3k+ without verification.

Even if I were to take you at your word, there is no possible way that build you posted could take you to wave 30. You have one S&D in the north lane for damage, two bouncers in the east lane. You honestly think anyone here believes a single S&D or two bouncers plus whatever hero damage is going to kill multiple 35 million health ogres?

Sorry dude, but either the map bugged out on you in some ridiculous way, or the host implemented map wide hacks. Was the host for your wave 30 run the person who has impossible stats by any chance?

I've seen a few low 300's but they're usually poorly optimized and have huge negatives, basically making them worthless.

well its random you know?
there is no reason for them to be poorly optimized they are just random
the point is HE WROTE they never got past 25 until patch , so how could they have farmed gear 25+ if they always wiped at 25 ? :)

its clearly a troll and maybe a hacker too dont kno so lets just ignore and stop arguing with him

Before I even dabble in the discussion present here...

Could you explain to me how your weapon has 2 stats over 500 when the game engine allows for a max of 360? And might I add I'm yet to see even a single other weapon that came close to that much?

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198024365593/screenshot/614973225685185831/?

My only problem with the weapon would be the high damage you would need a base damage of 9k I personally have never seen one, the highes was a hammer with a 5k base. As far as the stats I remenber seeing some in forums with three 500 stats, I my self have found a few with 500+ stats.


EDIT: Lolz sorry i forgot about the but the was ages ago my bet sorry lagginhard.

wait, why are you talking about my wep now? that's an old post from last month. Where even you posted in it blizt. i thought my memory was bad.

On open ive seen the gear dropped from wave 25+, armor(not just weapons) can have over 550 in a certain stat when initially dropped, the 360 cap is only applied when we as players upgrade the item. The armor bonus works as well, so 550+30% =715 . He would only need 1 armor in that range to equal over 3000.


Also im not saying one way or the other about his gear being legit. I'm just saying its plausible.

On open ive seen the gear dropped from wave 25+, armor(not just weapons) can have over 550 in a certain stat when initially dropped, the 360 cap is only applied when we as players upgrade the item. The armor bonus works as well, so 550+30% =715 . He would only need 1 armor in that range to equal over 3000.


Also im not saying one way or the other about his gear being legit. I'm just saying its plausible.

Afaik if you upgrade anything in the item, it rolls over to 360 cap, isn't it so? Or just the stat?

In any way, shape or form, though, he's not even the builder of his team and has an item like that. That means his builder also has itens like that, wich means that's a team full of what...the rarest itens ever in the game?

Legit or not they simply can be disregarded to the conclusion of viability or not. They're way, way, waaaaay out of any scale that could be useful to comparison.

Afaik if you upgrade anything in the item, it rolls over to 360 cap, isn't it so? Or just the stat?

In any way, shape or form, though, he's not even the builder of his team and has an item like that. That means his builder also has itens like that, wich means that's a team full of what...the rarest itens ever in the game?

Legit or not they simply can be disregarded to the conclusion of viability or not. They're way, way, waaaaay out of any scale that could be useful to comparison.

Totally agreed. Even if that's a legit team they're a perfect example of reverse progression — like in you have to have a full Misty-25+ set to go over wave 25 on Misty.

I completely agree, it seems backwards, the fact that in order to get to wave 25 survival you need the gear from it. I do have a theory though and please hear me out. What if the filler gear is waiting for us in the following 3 shards releases? Maybe the nightmare version(non-survival) from those maps will drop the gear range needed for wave 25+ survival misty?

Again just theories!

I completely agree, it seems backwards, the fact that in order to get to wave 25 survival you need the gear from it. I do have a theory though and please hear me out. What if the filler gear is waiting for us in the following 3 shards releases? Maybe the nightmare version(non-survival) from those maps will drop the gear range needed for wave 25+ survival misty?

Again just theories!

I would say thats more than a theory, i would say this is exactly what trendy intended. So the question becomes how does anyone break into 25+ Misty without the ability to actually do so through normal game progression? Granted it only takes one person to be able to get there and start farming gear and selling it or giving it out but how did that one person get there in the first place?

I completely agree, it seems backwards, the fact that in order to get to wave 25 survival you need the gear from it.

but this is totally false

total bull****

i take my example pre patch since dunno how much gear is needed now
pre patch i had my builder app with gear for wave 20+
well all his gear was 140 150 up, a piece i think it was 50 up cause it had huge base stats
my dps instead had a 210 piece and i dropped some other 200

so what does that mean?
that my gear was INCREDIBLY upgradable with some luck, just from wave 20 or even less
but i had bad luck with app gear at least with the set i was wearing pre patch (im still wearing that btw :D )

all you need is time, you have to farm a lot and i agree this part is bad/broken
but you cant say there is no way to progress, you can progress np, if you accept the burden of the game, farming surv and grinding lot of time only to REACH the point of progress

Wait wtf? You have no towers for enemies from North coming towards mid? I honestly don't see how this build will even work past 10, much less 30.

There are better set ups the problem is if trendy finds out trendy will nerf, I hate nerfs but just play around with the squire sadly the is the only way to get to later waves and apps have taken the role squires had before.

Wait wtf? You have no towers for enemies from North coming towards mid? I honestly don't see how this build will even work past 10, much less 30.

It wouldn't, unless you implemented map hacks, or the map instance bugged out in some very weird way.

Well if you're willing to downgrade, here is a Ramparts Survival build for 7.16:
http://html5.cubicleninja.com/dd/index.htm?layout=16902

Tested and proven. Just don't be careless wave 20+. :)

I would say thats more than a theory, i would say this is exactly what trendy intended. So the question becomes how does anyone break into 25+ Misty without the ability to actually do so through normal game progression? Granted it only takes one person to be able to get there and start farming gear and selling it or giving it out but how did that one person get there in the first place?

^This.

^This.

it was already explained how that is simply false

but this is totally false

total bull****

i take my example pre patch since dunno how much gear is needed now
pre patch i had my builder app with gear for wave 20+
well all his gear was 140 150 up, a piece i think it was 50 up cause it had huge base stats
my dps instead had a 210 piece and i dropped some other 200

so what does that mean?
that my gear was INCREDIBLY upgradable with some luck, just from wave 20 or even less
but i had bad luck with app gear at least with the set i was wearing pre patch (im still wearing that btw :D )

all you need is time, you have to farm a lot and i agree this part is bad/broken
but you cant say there is no way to progress, you can progress np, if you accept the burden of the game, farming surv and grinding lot of time only to REACH the point of progress

Except pre-patch squires were at least repair bots/tanks. The apprentice is...what now? Wyvern/spider duty I suppose?

Except pre-patch squires were at least repair bots/tanks. The apprentice is...what now? Wyvern/spider duty I suppose?

I still do 2m+ dps with my apprentice, and his repairs are very fast w/ overcharge.

Lagginhard, I think you must have dreamt or hallucinated that you got so far with that defense setup, because that is frankly the silliest setup I have ever seen.

I have to say as a player who gets to 25+ on a regular basis that is the stupidest ****ing layout I have ever seen.