"The Rich Get Richer" part 2 (no flames please)

I played 1 game with it so far this morning when I found it.... I set up enrage auras in a stupid place that prevented mobs from getting to me and failed on time. (EDIT: not to mention those who are successfully completing the maps are 500-600 ups on their traps, auras... whereas mine are currently 290-325/350 Mobs just simply aren't dying fast enough)I made a mistake that cost me in the late waves of a map... 750k DPS or not... legit or not... it doesn't matter. The focus isn't on the item or that I failed wave 11... you mocking me and throwing in a red herring into this discussion does nothing to further the discussion. It doesn't say a thing against what I am saying... nor does it bolster anything you are saying... which is... what? Nothing... but to attempt to belittle me. That's it... a common troll, sir.

And I am mearly commenting on the mana-gains given to this map that I have been working hours upon hours of my life towards... at a pace of 2-4mil per hour and unable to sell anything on the AFK shop because no one wants 20-28^ items.

I feel that the mana gains to low character are not properly tuned... and I also feel that ALL accounts should have something of value to offer to the AFK market.

My monk does not have one piece of super armor and has 340 aura damage and the I use a 19^ apprentice guardian. My hunt when o first soloed umf did 120k dps without piercing shot. Needless to say, you can have the best and still fail, you can also have average and succeed and move forward. The decision is yours to make.

Here is what I'm saying:
1) I don't have 4-6 hours to sit through to wave 25+ to get upgrades.
2) I don't WANT to spend any more time on Hard Ramparts or Hard Halloween or Hard Glitter or even insane versions.

And thus the issue is exposed. Guess who sat through survival to 25? THIS GUY. Guess who has gear to do UMF? THIS GUY. Guess who has 40-60^+ armors now to continue doing UMF? THIS GUY. Guess who only has 261 hours played (minus maybe 50 hours of afk shop being open)? THIS GUY. And I did 98% of it on my own solo. The 2% exception is where I've been tagging along with people in IRC into their UMFs.

You seroiusly need to actually READ these threads.
http://forums.trendyent.com/showthread.php?33860-From-zero-to-hero-in-under-3-hours
http://forums.trendyent.com/showthread.php?33709-So-I-was-wrong.-My-apologies.

They didn't have 35^ gear. They didn't have the best weapons in the game. They didn't spend X random number of hours that you randomly spun out of thin air.

Go cry about some nonexistant issue somewhere else.

I will repeat myself a final time. DON'T CALL YOURSELF A CASUAL IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY AS A CASUAL. THE HARDEST CONTENT IN THE GAME MAY NOT BE FOR YOU. DON'T COMPLAIN THAT YOU ARN'T "ON PAR" WITH PLAYERS WHO SPEND 500 HOURS OR MORE PLAYING THIS GAME, UNLESS YOU ALSO PUT IN THAT MUCH TIME.

*Side note* I'm dirt broke and weapons with over 60^ in my shop priced for under 1m never sell. Go figure.

I'd LOVE to see their layouts... convenient neither post shows us how they did it.

Here is what I'm saying:
1) I don't have 4-6 hours to sit through to wave 25+ to get upgrades.
2) I don't WANT to spend any more time on Hard Ramparts or Hard Halloween or Hard Glitter or even insane versions... realize that I've spend countless games now on those SAME MAPS over and over ad-nausium... just trying to gain mana.
3) I have nothing to offer the AFK trading market except 20-28^ items.... so I have no alternative source of mana gains.
4) 2-4mil/hour is not acceptable as so much mana is needed to enter into other maps. I feel it is excessively low.

I'm willing to put in time... just not the pace that is set out for me. I have better things to do with my time... and me asking for a quicker pace through 20->45 ups will not impact your 45-60+ maps at all.

1. Go read other posts. If others can do it, so can you. You just seem to think that complaining about it will get you there faster.

2. You don't want to farm enough gear to get into UMF. Why do you want to get into UMF? That's EXACTLY like logging in and expecting 100 billion mana in your pocket. NOBODY GETS ANYTHING FOR JUST LOGGING IN.

3. Why do you expect someone to buy 20-28^ weapons with the new expansion coming out in a few days? The AFK shops barely sell anything at all, at least mine don't. I'v got things (60^ weps) priced at the price the vendor pays for it and they STILL don't sell. What use do you have for that much mana anyways? Upgrading the non-existant gear that you have because you refuse to go get it?

4. 2 mil an hour is more than enough to enter UMF. Use that 2-4 mil on your gear, don't FULLY UPGRADE EVERYTHING because you DON'T NEED IT.

You obviously arn't willing to put in time, you stated that you don't want to spend any more time on Glitter/Spook, so why bother saying that you're willing to put in the time? There is NO pace that the game makes you play at, it's a VIDEO GAME, not a race.

You don't need 45^ gear to run UMF. You just can't understand that can you.

*Common sense dictates that you place damaging traps/auras in front of spawn points to kill weak mobs asap if you're having timer issues*
*Ensnares/Enrage auras simply waste time, do NOT place these ANYWHERE BUT WHERE YOU ARE CAMPING*
*Your traps/auras do NOT NEED TO KILL EVERYTHING*
*You said that you had no resists. Why the heck don't you have any resists, you don't need 45^ gear to upgrade generic resist.*

I'd LOVE to see their layouts... convenient neither post shows us how they did it.

Would it matter? 99% of layouts are the same. Huntress traps+monk auras spread out on the map with a single monk aura bubble of str drain+heal+lightning somewhere that you sit inside.

And thus the issue is exposed. Guess who sat through survival to 25? THIS GUY. Guess who has gear to do UMF? THIS GUY. Guess who has 40-60^+ armors now to continue doing UMF? THIS GUY. Guess who only has 261 hours played (minus maybe 50 hours of afk shop being open)? THIS GUY. And I did 98% of it on my own solo. The 2% exception is where I've been tagging along with people in IRC into their UMFs.

Guess who doesn't have 4-6 hours to sit in a game because he works, has a son, a wife, etc... THIS GUY
Guess who is very jealous that there is a map designed to be 30-40 mins that gives all the ultra-ultimate loot + CRAZY AS HELL mana gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there isn't an equal 30-40 min map with 35-40 ups and 8-15mil mana/hour gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there aren't any "global" items that drop from hard-insane maps that have value to everyone so that EVERYONE can participate in the AFK trade market... THIS GUY

Good point. If you're on the CONSOLE as you say that you are, just use the glitch and stop trolling the forums with redundant arguments. It's been proven that you can enter UMF in less than a day, so stop saying that you FAILED on it because of some outside reason. A tip: don't use enrage/ensnare auras. They waste time.

I meant gliterhelm actually sorry for the auto correct fail. It has been edited. Also never one did I mention that I am on console. I am on PC and my ID is pyroemaniac if you don't believe me. And also, the only person in here I see trolling is the person demanding that they get paid higher wages at work for working half days.

Guess who doesn't have 4-6 hours to sit in a game because he works, has a son, a wife, etc... THIS GUY
Guess who is very jealous that there is a map designed to be 30-40 mins that gives all the ultra-ultimate loot + CRAZY AS HELL mana gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there isn't an equal 30-40 min map with 35-40 ups and 8-15mil mana/hour gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there aren't any "global" items that drop from hard-insane maps that have value to everyone so that EVERYONE can participate in the AFK trade market... THIS GUY

Guess who doesn't deserve the loot from UMF if he isn't capable of getting to that point? It's like WoW players complaining that end game raids are too exclusive so Blizzard dumbs down the system and makes everything more casual like so random joe can pick up random people and go into it. It's also part of what ruined the game. Don't ruin this one too by petitioning Trendy to not make anything hard because not everyone can make use of it.

As said though, glitter/summit insane or hard will give tavern pets that you can sell that many want and will buy. Or did you ignore that solution that I gave earlier?

Guess who doesn't deserve the loot from UMF if he isn't capable of getting to that point? It's like WoW players complaining that end game raids are too exclusive so Blizzard dumbs down the system and makes everything more casual like so random joe can pick up random people and go into it. It's also part of what ruined the game. Don't ruin this one too by petitioning Trendy to not make anything hard because not everyone can make use of it.

As said though, glitter/summit insane or hard will give tavern pets that you can sell that many want and will buy. Or did you ignore that solution that I gave earlier?

I dunno... when someone is berating me and putting me down constantly... it's pretty hard to read anything of value you've posted... I wasn't even aware you gave me tips or pointers.

Can you imagine having to put in 200-300 hours just to access a map on Starcraft2... or even something like the browser-based "Gem-Craft" tower defense games?

Isn't that one of the appealing attributes of the game? Even though your example is really out of line.

what the point of this thread? a casual player complaining bc he cant get hardcore stuff?

what the point of this thread? a casual player complaining bc he cant get hardcore stuff?

Mana gains are too low on lower end maps... waaay too much time investment needed... and there is also nothing that a lowbie account can use to participate in the AFK trade system to "catch up" on the mana front while AFK.

again if ur a casual player you dont need high gear item to finish campaign, all ur trying to do is wanna be hardcore player

Mana gains are too low on lower end maps... waaay too much time investment needed... and there is also nothing that a lowbie account can use to participate in the AFK trade system to "catch up" on the mana front while AFK.

Glitter/summit pets. End of story.

But then again, you say "lowbie account". How do you expect a "lowbie account" to EVER catch up? You must stop being a lowbie to catch up first. Get 70, get in a survival, get in a mixmode, do hard summit, do insane summit, get your guardians, buy some gear if you refuse to spend the time earning it yourself, and play UMF -without hacked items-. You will succeed as I have and many others. Is UMF hard? Yes. Is it really worth the investment? Arguable. With the gear nerfs from it only completing it is truly worth much (or getting to wave 13/14) but there are cases where people find upgrades in earlier waves that help them continue.

Mana gains are too low on lower end maps...

Then don't farm those maps for mana...

Guess who doesn't have 4-6 hours to sit in a game because he works, has a son, a wife, etc... THIS GUY
Guess who is very jealous that there is a map designed to be 30-40 mins that gives all the ultra-ultimate loot + CRAZY AS HELL mana gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there isn't an equal 30-40 min map with 35-40 ups and 8-15mil mana/hour gains... THIS GUY
Guess who wonders why there aren't any "global" items that drop from hard-insane maps that have value to everyone so that EVERYONE can participate in the AFK trade market... THIS GUY

Guess who wants the Turkey costume? This guy!
Guess who wants to earn the Turkey costume? This guy!
Guess who doesn't want the Turkey Hunt dumbed down and made easier? This guy!
Honestly it would be sweet to do UMF runs but I'm not even close to that level yet I've only been playing 70 hours so far, there is one thing that makes things not worth having, and thats not having to work for the things worth having. I realize you don't seem to have the time, but that Isn't the developers fault.

Heres a suggestion, stop playing on Trendynet with your ranked characters look into mods that make the game easier, and might give you what you want. You can't hold yourself to the same standard as a single individual or someone who simply has the time to invest in a game that requires time. All I'm seeing here now is complaining because the game doesn't cater to those with tighter time constraints.

Being responsible sucks, I know so I feel you, but its not the games fault you're a father and have a family, you should be proud of that fact and I know you have to have your hobbies but just look at it this way, the more time and work you put in the prouder you should be of your accomplishments in the end.

Without reading tooooo much, I do wanna make note that we are attempting to make our Holiday challenge more progressive for players. UMF was designed to be pretty brutal. The next challenge is too... but some more attention was put on other difficulty modes to hep players build up to Insane. It's not gonna be easy, but we feel it will be more accessible to all kinds of players.

I'd also like to add that none of my monk's gear has more than 57^ (exception of pet/weapon). 57, 54, 44, 44 are my ^s. All of which are obtainable in survival. I actually don't think I'm wearing any UMF armors to be quite honest. I've yet to really find any that are "OMG MUST USE" except maybe one piece my traptress is wearing that has like +50 tatk on it or something. The game doesn't need to be made easier.. loot mistakes just need to happen less often. that's all.

JDanford the problem is you cannot complete easy UMF to get gear to complete Medium, to get gear to complete Hard. to get gear to complete insane. the progression from glitter insane to UMF insane requires you to have better gear then you can get w/o doing survival (assuming you don't have the mana to buy something from a shop, or refuse to buy something from a shop).

JDanford the problem is you cannot complete easy UMF to get gear to complete Medium, to get gear to complete Hard. to get gear to complete insane. the progression from glitter insane to UMF insane requires you to have better gear then you can get w/o doing survival (assuming you don't have the mana to buy something from a shop, or refuse to buy something from a shop).

see this mod got a point, op is just complaining with a hacked item

If people like this who can't even do UMF with a 91^ weapon are able to clear Nightmare mode I'll be a very sad panda.

JDanford the problem is you cannot complete easy UMF to get gear to complete Medium, to get gear to complete Hard. to get gear to complete insane. the progression from glitter insane to UMF insane requires you to have better gear then you can get w/o doing survival (assuming you don't have the mana to buy something from a shop, or refuse to buy something from a shop).

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God... was that so freaking hard, guys?

see this mod got a point, op is just complaining with a hacked item

You obviously didn't get the point... Jetah just sided with what I've been saying this whole time:

There is no 30-40 min map that gives... welll frankly... even HALF the rewards that insane UMF gives.... even just HALF that mana input would be soooo good for low accounts.

I'd also like to add that none of my monk's gear has more than 57^ (exception of pet/weapon). 57, 54, 44, 44 are my ^s. All of which are obtainable in survival. I actually don't think I'm wearing any UMF armors to be quite honest. I've yet to really find any that are "OMG MUST USE" except maybe one piece my traptress is wearing that has like +50 tatk on it or something. The game doesn't need to be made easier.. loot mistakes just need to happen less often. that's all.

Interesting....

actually my brother just emailed me and says the following:

"I kind of wonder about Dungeon Defenders - it is an odd beast. I'm not sure that I like the "grindy" aspect of the game, and I'm wondering about the "late game" aspects. I like completing goals in games, and I'm not sure what the overall point of Dungeon Defenders is, once you complete all the levels. You can try them on hard/insane, I guess, and it looks like running through the challenges will be fun too. I do wanna try to finish some of those ones that we have been trying... but beyond that, I don't see myself getting into much of the equipment aspect of the game... fun anyways!"

So... the truth is: we don't get it. And we don't want to be stuck just running the same levels over and over 1000 times just to get mana... because we don't have 4-6 hours for 1 sitting... hell... 1-2 hours in 1 sitting is stretching things.

You took what JD said out of context, he said that it would help you build up to Insane, not that it would yeild half the rewards that insane maps give.