Influx of hackers

When I first heard about mana hacking and hacked items about a week ago, I rarely saw it or noticed it. Now when I'm browsing the forums (and another gaming forum I go to), I noticed a sizable portion of the community that is using some form of hacking. I'm sure this has been brought up countless times, but is Trendy planning on doing anything about these people? Sure some do get banned, but they just buy another copy of the game and go back to it. I've even seen RMT that are selling mana for real money. Seems like a pretty good deal if you can make that $15 you spent on this game in minutes of selling a bunch of duped mana.

I was just wondering if anyone else is noticing more and more hackers these days. I don't understand why anyone would want to cheat in any game. It's takes the entire fun and point of even playing it. I find that the past 2 weeks or so now, I've been playing in private games alone or with friends. I don't even bother doing public games anymore as I don't want any of the items bought to be tainted.

I don't mind the nerfs and the infrequent disconnects I do still get every once in a while. What will make me quit a game faster than anything else is allowing cheaters to continue doing what they are doing. It just makes the game unattractive and makes me wonder what the point of even continuing to play if I'm playing with people who cheat.

RMT isn't a big issue, especially if it isn't using hacked items or mana. Against the rules maybe, but not a big deal so quit crying about it. (It doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form)

Hacked Mana and Items on the other hand should have decreased with VAC being enabled. VAC just prevents the use of cheating tools, it doesn't get rid of existing hacked items/mana, so those will still be around.

The problem is that all the data is on ur pc, so u can change any stat u want (hero/tower/ups/mana/gamespeed).

Atm there is no difference between open or ranked server (for hacking).

Well the PC version has been hacked to death for ages. Just a shame it is hitting consoles now, where every game is ranked. That's a laugh. Last week I got a hacker in my PUG at least once per night.

Anyway, you cannot find a public game on PC that has no hackers, which is a shame. I think this will kill the game faster than anything else, especially on consoles where people are generally not used to the game being modded by its users.

Yeah the retarded amounts of mana going around...

VAC finished the mana dupers/item modifiers on RANKED GAMES. Open games, on the other hand, use the data stored in your PC, which is easily modded even without DEV tools, and which is actually allowed.

For several weeks you could see people whose ALL posts were buying stuff on the trade forums, for close to 30m, non-stop. I tried to report several of those, but with no avail. Trendy said they were "core members of the community" and simply had mana. Clearly they think spending 1 billion mana/day (yes, one billion) is a normal thing. This is why any godly armor "costs" over 30m mana now. But well, with VAC this should be a non issue from now on.

RMT are a problem for the entire community, I guess you either havent played many Multiplayer games, Miv. If so, refrain from giving your unexperienced opinion here.

Open games don't really matter right now. You can give yourself better than the best possible items with the mod tools.

I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I know RMT are in every big multiplayer game. However... if there is a way to hack for mana or items, why do it the legit way? Any RMT will get ahold of whatever way people are hacking, and sell those items/mana. I don't give 2 ****s about how much money RMT guys make. I see it everywhere and I know they only way they are able to sell 30 mil+ at a time is through mana duping. Unless you have tens or hundreds of accounts, there is no way someone can supply that many people at a time. I'm sure 98% of the RMTers are using some form of hacking. That's my point.

I keep hearing about this VAC thing. I know for a fact people are still dupping mana and modding items on ranked.

I keep hearing about this VAC thing. I know for a fact people are still dupping mana and modding items on ranked.

How do you know this is still happening?

How do you know this is still happening?

I know of someone who is modding items and dupping mana. He was recently just banned and in the process of getting a new account to continue doing what he was doing.

He even admitted that what he was doing was illegal.

Vac doesnt got them now why ? it can take up to months said Valve because VAC Observes them gathers info about the hacks and trys to find other people with the same hack observe them all together and bann them one after one then so hackers dont get warned by one guy that "Test" the hack vac does its job .

here http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35 vac forum of steam ask there around for better information

more info how VAC banns on engines / games and how many games your banned from http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1906399

I don't want to be one of those people who ends up quitting the game as the game as a legit player is quite fun. I'm just finding I can't really enjoy the "multiplayer" aspect of the game if I want to truly stay legit. It appears that I may be quitting soon though if this continues to get worse. I knew this would happen in this game as it had attracted a lot of attention. I was just hoping it wouldn't have happened so soon. I'm still enjoying the game as I haven't beaten every map on insane yet (just glitterhelm left) and still have a lot of the challenges to do. I was looking forward to CTF as well, but when people have modded items that are perfect or even worse, way better than perfect, what fun is it to get rolled and not even stand a chance?

Would be nice for people to prove any of this :)

It's been happening since release.
It's happening now.
It will continue to happen.

VAC is just a small hurdle for script kiddies, and even then it takes weeks or months for it to actually issue a ban; that's weeks or months that people are corrupting other people's characters, the economy, and time that is given for them to offload unlimited resources to another account.

The developers were educated by people like myself, when they announced this game, that it was already doomed for hackfesting if they didn't follow a simple set of design and coding rules. They egotistically ignored this lesson in game security 101, and here we are... Yet, you're blaming the cheaters instead of the developers... does that really seem like what you should be doing?

It's been happening since release.
It's happening now.
It will continue to happen.

VAC is just a small hurdle for script kiddies, and even then it takes weeks or months for it to actually issue a ban; that's weeks or months that people are corrupting other people's characters, the economy, and time that is given for them to offload unlimited resources to another account.

The developers were educated by people like myself, when they announced this game, that it was already doomed for hackfesting if they didn't follow a simple set of design and coding rules. They egotistically ignored this lesson in game security 101, and here we are... Yet, you're blaming the cheaters instead of the developers... does that really seem like what you should be doing?

Yes because i would listen to number on the forum who thinks he's amazing game developer. Got a link to your awesome dev company? or game you've developed? I'm flat out curious :)

Yes Vac ban are Delayed, it can take one week or two so yeah meanwhile ....

When I first heard about mana hacking and hacked items about a week ago, I rarely saw it or noticed it. Now when I'm browsing the forums (and another gaming forum I go to), I noticed a sizable portion of the community that is using some form of hacking. I'm sure this has been brought up countless times, but is Trendy planning on doing anything about these people? Sure some do get banned, but they just buy another copy of the game and go back to it. I've even seen RMT that are selling mana for real money. Seems like a pretty good deal if you can make that $15 you spent on this game in minutes of selling a bunch of duped mana.

I was just wondering if anyone else is noticing more and more hackers these days. I don't understand why anyone would want to cheat in any game. It's takes the entire fun and point of even playing it. I find that the past 2 weeks or so now, I've been playing in private games alone or with friends. I don't even bother doing public games anymore as I don't want any of the items bought to be tainted.

I don't mind the nerfs and the infrequent disconnects I do still get every once in a while. What will make me quit a game faster than anything else is allowing cheaters to continue doing what they are doing. It just makes the game unattractive and makes me wonder what the point of even continuing to play if I'm playing with people who cheat.

what you ask is the impossible... no one will ever be able to stop hackers and cheaters. its just the gaming circle of life.
1) game gets release
2) legit players play
3) hackers show up
4) devs patch hacks
5) hackers make new hacks
6) repeat 4&5 forever


oh and vac is useless, granted its better than most anti cheats out there but its still useless. i know 4 people that can not only write a hack right now but itll be permenately undetectable no matter how many updates vac goes through.

i understand the complaint of hackers i really do but lets face it people its like anti-virus programs, yeah they work but these companies pay people to create new virus' that are "immune" to anti-virus thus having to make an update, and requiring you to have a subscription to be safe. (not that trendy or any other gaming company will do something similar) but its the simple truth of it.

my advice to you is to either a) quit whinning and man up cause stopping hackers just aint gunna happen
or b) start drinking heavily (if youre 21 or older of course) or c) find 3 friends who are legit and play the game around the same time you do and play privately with them

4) devs patch hacks



Here your problem

what you ask is the impossible... no one will ever be able to stop hackers and cheaters. its just the gaming circle of life.
1) game gets release
2) legit players play
3) hackers show up
4) devs patch hacks
5) hackers make new hacks
6) repeat 4&5 forever

Wrong... It just takes developers that understand basic game security 101 and utilize that knowledge in every line of code throughout development.

Wrong... It just takes developers that understand basic game security 101 and utilize that knowledge in every line of code throughout development.

really if thats the case then hackers would not exist. they do understand it and use it, but that doesnt mean that game security 101 does have holes/issues also.

@balmert i used the word patch because as ive said before they cant fix them permenately so its just a patch

really if thats the case then hackers would not exist. youre way out in left field.

Nope.avi... I'm dead center on home base... You just refuse to believe there's that many uneducated game programmers... Yet, I'm not saying it's always the lack of game security 101 knowledge... sometimes it's more of the 'this game has to be ready by X time; forget about security and don't bother with issues that don't prevent the game from running, we're paying you to get this done quickly'. 'The customers will eat it up, and they're used to having patches and such for those types of issues.. they're ignorant and think they can't be completely stopped; but once we have their money, we'll have them attached long enough to look like we're making an effort to fix things, even though we really can't fix them afterwards because it would require us recoding most of the engine'.

Is vac even enabled yet... thought they had to do more with it or something before it was getting enabled.

Nope.avi... I'm dead center on home base... You just refuse to believe there's that many uneducated game programmers... Yet, I'm not saying it's always the lack of game security 101 knowledge... sometimes it's more of the 'this game has to be ready by X time; forget about security and don't bother with issues that don't prevent the game from running, we're paying you to get this done quickly'. 'The customers will eat it up, and they're used to having patches and such for those types of issues.. they're ignorant and think they can't be completely stopped; but once we have their money, we'll have them attached long enough to look like we're making an effort to fix things, even though we really can't fix them afterwards because it would require us recoding most of the engine'.

yeah you roll with that.. that game secruity knowledge youre talking bout is riddled with holes. its as usless as a blind man picking out porn.... who the eff do you think wrote it.. A HACKER

game secruity knowledge youre talking... who the eff do you think wrote it.. A HACKER

Yeah... stop there for a second and ask yourself who you'd rather programming the games you play... a cross-eyed visual basic joker fresh out of college with some 'modding' experience, or a hacker... I'm proud to be a hacker... and before you start correlating the word 'hacker' with cheating or illegal intrusion of systems, you should go buy a dictionary.

One thing people seem to always overlook is that 'hackers' have to know how something works to be able to manipulate it... and often they know more than the creators of that 'something'.

I'm kind of amused how everyone uses the word hacker on things like this. Don't give cheaters so much credit.

Base cheating != hacking.

While cheaters are exploiting ingame content to make up for their lack of skill, a hacker would be very busy hacking into things he would benefit from.