If i would like to play cartoony FPS i would play TF2

Today i have had hard pleasure of seeing this new idea: CTF pvp in action. And it was even worse than i thought it will be.... Being 1hitted by hero specced chars is hardly tower defence game, hardly DD anymore. Waiting to see you actually create game mode that is not completly flawed idea (flawed like hero vs hero fps game mode you just made in hero with towers vs monsters designed game - Dungeon Defenders). Why do you waste time for this? Create some tower defence pvp already, and save yourselfs bitter taste in your mouth when you gonna read all the complains like "*rant* unabalanced *rant rant rant*"for the next 2 years, becouse you will never be able to balance it unless you gonna create TOTALLY new game with just same graphics and that will take a lot of unneeded work (and still might be worse than TF2 kind of games).

But then, why wasting time for it? You can create a valid pvp game mode within your game settings, current balance and design which would be Tower Defence Versus Mode. I believe you have read that suggestion already anyway, so i wont describe how it would work. The essence is: it wouldnt require attempts of balancing at all, just mirroring the map and changing the code a bit so it supports 4v4 teams, buyable spawns and thats it. All you will need after that is playing with the mobs players could buy - but that is a pleasure, or even DLC profitable job.

When you walk wrong path and you already notice you are goin wrogn path, why do you insist walking it? Change direction already and players will be pleased, you will be pleased - everyone will be pleased.

I believe over 90% of your customers bought this title for tower defence game. And the TD aspect of this game is what keeps this game interesting, however gets boring playing it only against same predefined waves over and over again. What your playerbase needs to stay interested in this game is competition against other players, pvp, but not first person shooter way... - Dungeon Defenders way! We already have fps games overdose on the market and it would be hard to compete with them for your TD based game. I understund you have thought that creating just another map and putting already made heroes into it will be a genius, fast way to introduce pvp gameplay for your players in short time - but its just bad idea and you only wasted time needed for creating new map (assuming it wasnt just leftover from designing standard game missions while you worked on the original game development).

Why walking away from the TD concept? Its like having Pizza Hut putting effort in designing pizza flavoured icecreams becouse their current pizzas' taste got boring for their customers... It just wont work. We have great icecream companies already out there. So put effort in creating new pizzas, not pizza-icecreams.

I bought it because it was a FPS Tower Defense game.

If you want to, you can play TF2. Some of us like to play new things. Either way, you're not required to play PvP but the option is there. I'm not saying that I'll be playing it much, if at all, but if I don't want to play it, I just won't.

Go there Falrinth3: Suggestions

Seriously no one here knows the difference between First Person Shooter and Third Person Shooter, DD being the last? Lmao.

I believe over 90% of your customers bought this title for tower defence game.

Yeah, too bad they deleted the tower defense aspect of the game and force you to play CTF...OH WAIT!
Also the CTF is on PRE ALPHA, chill. Lol @ you thinking it'll take them 2 years to balance it...they are not blizzard, in case you haven't noticed we've had a lot of balance patches since the game came out.

If i would like to play cartoony FPS

i stopped reading there Instantly

did you even play a fps ? or did you even play dundef ? false forum ?

you're being picky over the fps / tps thing.
Thing, he got a point, for me.

DD is more a PvE game than a pvp one, but i salute the effort of trendy to explore new ways.
But i'd also like trendy to keep in mind that its indeed a TD game too, brutal pvp where only stat govern is rubbish :(

A TD PVP thing, with creeps and such would be awesome more than a ctf pvp...demigod *_*

dude...why so serious?

If you don't want to play it nobody is forcing you. See ya.

You do realize the mode is out to please people who want something different, when the entire rest of the game is focused around tower defense... right?

I entirely agree with you Falrinth, considering that there is so much that needs to be done to improve the Tower Defence game the whole PvP thing is a waste of effort. This was and is sold as a Tower Defence Co-Op Game, so why even bother. Personally, i haven't even downloaded it, even though it's free.

If I wanted PvP I would have played something else.

Wow, didnt know i have invented a troll-magnet. Read the thread first before posting so childlish comments people. You really arent enlightnening me saying i can NOT play CTF mode, but you do miss the point entirely.

Falrinth, It takes a brave man, or a fool, to try to argue against the die-hards of the PvP gaming community. I'm surprised that you thought you were going to get away with posting an OP like that and not attract their wrath.

However, what is more interesting is that the majority of the posts above agree with you, which I found quite surprising as I always assume that I'm outnumbered by PvP gamers on every game I play.

And +3 Stars on such a controvertial topic is pretty good in my opinion, lets hope Trendy take some notice.

you're being picky over the fps / tps thing.
Thing, he got a point, for me.

DD is more a PvE game than a pvp one, but i salute the effort of trendy to explore new ways.
But i'd also like trendy to keep in mind that its indeed a TD game too, brutal pvp where only stat govern is rubbish :(

A TD PVP thing, with creeps and such would be awesome more than a ctf pvp...demigod *_*

so true why picky on that...OP was talking about shooter AND TD...

TD + pvp...have you tried war3 tds? there are so many td modes that were having competitive aspects

ie.
buy mobs and spawn on others mode
simply suvival deathmatch

all could be group or 1v1v1...yes in this case you would have multiple identical lanes for each player or a circular cycle map

if you want to add shooter aspect inside its fine...you go aggressive on others while others spawning mobs to your base something like that

I could barely stand to read the whole thing because of how poorly written it was... I understand English probably isn't his first language but that was just ridiculous.
On Topic: I bought it because it was a hybrid of Third Person Mob Killing and Tower Defense. I'm sure they will get around to Tower based PVP soon, but right now they are releasing something the game was lacking.

So a herd you liek OTSFPS mmm? :P

Look, the mod tools got released and a new xpac is coming in (hopefully) 2 weeks time.

Either way the purests will get what they want, and the group who want a unique experience will get what they want...

So chill. PPL stressing over a $15 game that's getting mad dev support is really disheartening at times.


Oh PS: The game you're probably looking to play anyway is Sanctum. I'd suggest you take a look. Game's a lot tougher than DD, but it doesn't have any progression elements at all...

I could barely stand to read the whole thing because of how poorly written it was... I understand English probably isn't his first language but that was just ridiculous.
On Topic: I bought it because it was a hybrid of Third Person Mob Killing and Tower Defense. I'm sure they will get around to Tower based PVP soon, but right now they are releasing something the game was lacking.

I do realise, that when i write something bigger in english just letting flow of my thoughts be streamed to the keyboard with the raw translation made on the fly, it might require some inteligence to go trough all the grammatic and syntax errors i make. Im glad many have succesfully overcome that challenge - im sorry you coudlnt. ;)

I do realise, that when i write something bigger in english just letting flow of my thoughts be streamed to the keyboard with the raw translation made on the fly, it might require some inteligence to go trough all the grammatic and syntax errors i make. Im glad many have succesfully overcome that challenge - im sorry you coudlnt. ;)

I read it again now that I'm not so tired and it makes sense now :P but I'm sure it must be hard having to write something long in a language that isn't your first language.

Alternative, a proper CTF variant, in terms of tower defense.

Only 1 flag, flag lies solely on one team area.
That team gets 1 minute to build defences.
Other team now gets 5 minutes to capture that flag and bring it back to their base. (it's not as easy for the defending side as one might think: because they have to defend multiple potential lines of attack, while the other team just needs 1 breakthrough) (potentially requires some balancing in regards to huntress traps and deadly strike towers for obvious reasons)

Or it can be done like the current Assault map: defences around crystals, then other team has to try to destroy them.

I read it again now that I'm not so tired and it makes sense now :P but I'm sure it must be hard having to write something long in a language that isn't your first language.

Its not hard to write it. Its hard to write it the way, that it would succesfully pass all the grammatic and syntax differences between languages properly. Im working on improving it ;) - Part of that work is writing such things without having to stress about making it a flawless translation.

While all the mentioned modes would be cool to see...

Basically it rolls like this:

Options, various modes of gameplay, and other forms of variety improve the game, period.

CTF is still in alpha phase, as we've heard a thousand times.

But there is nothing wrong with ADDing new types of gameplay to an existing game.

The Tower Defense has not been taken away, you are not required to play the FPS or PvP aspects to acquire the achievements, etc, etc.

In fact, CTF is something that KEPT MacPimpin's interest in Dungeon Defenders.
They didn't do anything wrong in any aspect, and there have been a lot of CTF matches that are enjoyable to break away from the same grind of Summit, Spooktacular, etc, etc.

No reason to be angry :)

It's a distration, in that it encourages a small but very loud player group to constantly whine and moan about game balancing when there are are important issues to be addressed.

It's a distration, in that it encourages a small but very loud player group to constantly whine and moan about game balancing when there are are important issues to be addressed.

MacPimpin promises you, that people will complain no matter what the developers do, period. There will always be something they don't like. Having participated in launches of several games, and also having friends who work in game development for some of the big names, it has become apparent that the best thing a developer can do is to try and listen to their fan base, take their suggestions, and to add as much as possible for it to be a lasting successful game.

When compared to a lot of companies, Trendy is doing A LOT of things right... DLC what a week or two after launch, free?

A majority of the time, really think the only problem there is....

Is that a majority of gamers have terrible social skills, demands, and childlike mentalities... with a complete lack of patience I might add.

As the most pimpin of them all once said. "Be cool."
Props to Samuel Jackson.

Well as we say in Britain 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating', and so far what we've seen is a lot phaffing about boosting and nerfing things that didn't need boosting or nerfing presumably to try and placate the PvP community and a new PvP Capture the Flag map that wasn't really of much relevance to the game.

In the meanwhile, nothing on game hosting options, no new Tower Defence maps or levels, no improvements to in game chat, no guild facilities, no player blacklist, and no new options for our taverns, no market place, no auction house.

The only good thing was the Halloween map, but that sort of got undermined by making it harder to complete for less reward, so having collected all four costumes it's pretty much dead. In fact, based on my recent experience any game labelled Tavern [Halloween Insane] is almost certainly a shop selling Ninja'd Loot.

And the player community is dwindling as a result with it becoming harder and harder to find a game to join. All my friends have already quit, so I'm completely dependant on PUG groups now and the vast majority of games in the list now seem to be Shops with Chinese Famers trying to peddle PvP gear.

I'm rapidly losing patience to be honest.