Chaos X relic final upgrade numbers.

Hi, ive just upgraded a chaos X relic to 10/10 and the result was just a little more than a 300 Defense power increase which is so low compared to the previous upgrades...is this normal or is it a bug? What about you guys?

Edited May 4 by Barnowear

Chromatic has completely messed up the power-scaling for chaos X. Heroes and towers no longer compare to enemy power. That's why so many people are stuck on floors 940+. They broke it and care only for Awakened

On 5/28/2023 at 9:40 PM, ArchaicLotus said:

Chromatic has completely messed up the power-scaling for chaos X. Heroes and towers no longer compare to enemy power. That's why so many people are stuck on floors 940+. They broke it and care only for Awakened

Just now? werent ppl stuckl at 900+ onsluaght before?

Barnowear, I get your jab. When I type while agitated I often am not clear enough for people to understand the point that I'm trying to make. It isn't necessarily fair for me to say that Chromatic only cares for Awakened over DD2, it only seems like it.  I already know that DD2 was a free to play inherited game from Trendy in which there may be some royalty issues.

 

Sure, the higher you climb in Onslaught, the harder each floor gets due to mob health/attack/defense/resistance/etcetera increase. You could easily notice the scaling difficulty of each floor. About a month before chais 10 was being released I climbed from floor 650 something to 946, no problems at all; very easy. After chaos 10 release I did what I always do: farm the next-tier relics and bump hero armor. I only do this to ramp the scaling power of my towers to be current with the next-tier chaos challenges, especially with three new enemies being listed in chaos 10, and the fact that I've done no Ancient Power reset. Before you say,"you've done know A.P. reset...", understand that I've experienced all scaling powers both mathematically and having witnessed each floors scaling power difference.

 

I get 17 relics c10/10 all either maxed or nearly maxed, and defense's shards are all guided, per usual. Step back in to floor 946, pre c10 release I'm not re-rolling to get my favorite map, or to avoid Headstrong lanes, post c10 release I return and get obliterated....melted. on floor 940 whatever, before the chaos 10 release my hero could take about 7 hits from the berserker orcs; my nimbus spent an average of max 3 seconds on mobs before destroying them; my Dryad could lane-lock with little to no tower help without the worry of death; bees would chainsaw any enemies. After farming I return to Onslaught and berserker orcs now kill my Dryad in one hit as opposed to 7; my Maw of the Earthdrakes can only take two hits (all 10/10 mods and guilded shards...hardened, weighted stone, juggernaut, etc.) It takes over 10 seconds for my nimbus to finish off one Cybork, at 32 million damage per second, and I cannot get passed wave one on any map post c10 patch.

The defense tower scaling that was present from C1 - C9 prior to the chaos 10 release was apparent and present. Remember, Chromatic did announce that they were not going bump players floors up in the Onslaught realm as they've done in the past, and perhaps therein lies a defense tower scaling issue every since the chaos 10 release.

 

To grind floors, mod 10 re-rolls, to guild shards, clear dailies and now weekly, every since 2015 or 16, whenever, to hang with this game, with Trendy, with Chromatic all this time because DD2 is my favorite tower-defense game of all time; all of the very hard times and glitches to improvements I can say that I no longer even either care or am disappointed in Chromatic. I have my wishes UT I've also become much more empathetic to the world's issues.

I have 4968 hours logged into DD2 you all, and that is mostly pure grinding hours and mastery completions. My main is ascension level 8100+ without one single Ancient Power reset. None of this is a brag. If I would have put thus kind of time into weight-training or piano lessons, I'd be a master in piano or some type of professional athlete. I know that this hits some World of War craft or EverQuest players in the gut, but It's true. There is so much going on outside on DD2 that I've not payed attention to.

So for Chromatic to not get the scaling of tower power right for chaos 10+ Onslaught: doesn't matter. The farming of chaos 10 is simple. Max our your favorite towers relics and build wisely. Hey you all, stop with the ,"C10 best tower defense set-up, META", etcetera, already. Any defense melts any c10 wave on any map within, usually, 1 min 30 seconds per wave or shorter, (depending on when the map spawns mobs within the wave). Any c10 relic'ed tower. 5 waves is fast and simple, any map any tower combo.

The only thing that I may not get to do is stream floors 990 - 999 with the only hero having no Ancient Powers and climbing solo. But, who cares? It's not going to get me a pay-raise and not or person outside of the DD2 world is even aware of what this game even is. I've put the time in, and will try variations on my Onslaught climb, but if I'm stuck, well, my problems with how Chromatic has handled this chaos 10 scaling are truly insignificant to what Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan, parts of Europe, homeless in America, and thousands of other scenarios that are worse than my long diatribe.

 

 

On 6/2/2023 at 9:15 PM, ArchaicLotus said:

Barnowear, I get your jab. When I type while agitated I often am not clear enough for people to understand the point that I'm trying to make. It isn't necessarily fair for me to say that Chromatic only cares for Awakened over DD2, it only seems like it.  I already know that DD2 was a free to play inherited game from Trendy in which there may be some royalty issues.

 

Sure, the higher you climb in Onslaught, the harder each floor gets due to mob health/attack/defense/resistance/etcetera increase. You could easily notice the scaling difficulty of each floor. About a month before chais 10 was being released I climbed from floor 650 something to 946, no problems at all; very easy. After chaos 10 release I did what I always do: farm the next-tier relics and bump hero armor. I only do this to ramp the scaling power of my towers to be current with the next-tier chaos challenges, especially with three new enemies being listed in chaos 10, and the fact that I've done no Ancient Power reset. Before you say,"you've done know A.P. reset...", understand that I've experienced all scaling powers both mathematically and having witnessed each floors scaling power difference.

 

I get 17 relics c10/10 all either maxed or nearly maxed, and defense's shards are all guided, per usual. Step back in to floor 946, pre c10 release I'm not re-rolling to get my favorite map, or to avoid Headstrong lanes, post c10 release I return and get obliterated....melted. on floor 940 whatever, before the chaos 10 release my hero could take about 7 hits from the berserker orcs; my nimbus spent an average of max 3 seconds on mobs before destroying them; my Dryad could lane-lock with little to no tower help without the worry of death; bees would chainsaw any enemies. After farming I return to Onslaught and berserker orcs now kill my Dryad in one hit as opposed to 7; my Maw of the Earthdrakes can only take two hits (all 10/10 mods and guilded shards...hardened, weighted stone, juggernaut, etc.) It takes over 10 seconds for my nimbus to finish off one Cybork, at 32 million damage per second, and I cannot get passed wave one on any map post c10 patch.

The defense tower scaling that was present from C1 - C9 prior to the chaos 10 release was apparent and present. Remember, Chromatic did announce that they were not going bump players floors up in the Onslaught realm as they've done in the past, and perhaps therein lies a defense tower scaling issue every since the chaos 10 release.

 

To grind floors, mod 10 re-rolls, to guild shards, clear dailies and now weekly, every since 2015 or 16, whenever, to hang with this game, with Trendy, with Chromatic all this time because DD2 is my favorite tower-defense game of all time; all of the very hard times and glitches to improvements I can say that I no longer even either care or am disappointed in Chromatic. I have my wishes UT I've also become much more empathetic to the world's issues.

I have 4968 hours logged into DD2 you all, and that is mostly pure grinding hours and mastery completions. My main is ascension level 8100+ without one single Ancient Power reset. None of this is a brag. If I would have put thus kind of time into weight-training or piano lessons, I'd be a master in piano or some type of professional athlete. I know that this hits some World of War craft or EverQuest players in the gut, but It's true. There is so much going on outside on DD2 that I've not payed attention to.

So for Chromatic to not get the scaling of tower power right for chaos 10+ Onslaught: doesn't matter. The farming of chaos 10 is simple. Max our your favorite towers relics and build wisely. Hey you all, stop with the ,"C10 best tower defense set-up, META", etcetera, already. Any defense melts any c10 wave on any map within, usually, 1 min 30 seconds per wave or shorter, (depending on when the map spawns mobs within the wave). Any c10 relic'ed tower. 5 waves is fast and simple, any map any tower combo.

The only thing that I may not get to do is stream floors 990 - 999 with the only hero having no Ancient Powers and climbing solo. But, who cares? It's not going to get me a pay-raise and not or person outside of the DD2 world is even aware of what this game even is. I've put the time in, and will try variations on my Onslaught climb, but if I'm stuck, well, my problems with how Chromatic has handled this chaos 10 scaling are truly insignificant to what Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan, parts of Europe, homeless in America, and thousands of other scenarios that are worse than my long diatribe.

 

 

I feel u man. And yes, its true, DDA is their main game, and DD2 is now getting closer to a cashgrab than ever. Ive also put thousands of hours, thats why i bother to post anything, because i care, if i didnt care i wouldnt even open any forum to begin with.
We have a lot in common, and im happy for you about becoming more empathetic about your fellow men and women <3.

Now that you explain your POV i understand your grievances, what a mess. Im also slowly quitting the game again and i'd suggest you also take a break, maybe come back for "events" and special rewards but i think it'd be cool to put more time on those things we left behind in order to play this game. I just started a youtube channel, im not gonna do DD2 because i no longer believe in the game or the company, but yeah, i think theres not much fun left in the game for endgame/veteran players, and i suspect DDA is gonna end up the same way.
Have a nice day man.