The new shard vendor

Hey uhhh there's a new shard vendor coming in the next update right to stop people farming lower chaos tiers and because RNG is a pain in the ***.

How will it work? What currency will we have to use to buy these shards? - Need answers/predictions ASAP in preparation for the update.

The other option besides DM is gold. Could be like 5-20 mil per shard.

Actually gold is the only thing that you get wherever you play in dd2. So, imo, it's more likely. 

Edit: A new currency is possible too, but I think this is unlikely.

Edited March 11, 2019 by BeerGoggles

I hope whatever it is, that it also is not based on RNG luck to get in any way. I am tired of rolling dice for consumables in DD2. If there is not a concrete 100% way to generate the shard you want through realistic numbers (unlike rerolls), not luck, than it will be something i will not partake in. the whole point IMO is to bypass teh crazy amount of time it takes to grind these shards out, so the new system needs to avoid any similar time sucks. Gems would be a terrible idea. DMs - i am torn, but it will depend greatly on the cost. Gold would not work as those who have reset multipliers would just blow it out of the water. Shard dust is an interesting idea, but again the cost will matter greatly. 

I am very curious to see what form this will take. I just hope it alleviates a stress, and does not add one. I m soooooo far away from even thinking about gilding my first Destruction shard, and i would need like 60+ more. Time will tell if the new system is any quicker in getting 60+ of the same shard than how i would do it now. 

2 hours ago, hailminion said:

Just guessing, so don't quote me on this. 

From previous discussion/threads, "TE" already explicitly denied the idea of purchasing with shard dusts. I highly doubt it's gonna be gold, like a 0.01% chance maybe. That leaves us with DM and gems. 

I'm willing to bet on DM. The second specific shards can be purchased with gems, it becomes an 80% Pay to Win. and such move will piss off probably 90% of DD2 loyal players. That leaves us with DM only left. If CG do decide to devote all to DDA, and leave DD2 as a cash machine only, then there's a chance for em to make it PtW w/ gem purchased, but I think the possibility is very slim. 

I think when "TE" denied that idea, they weren't chromatic yet. I would guess those investors were still breathing down their necks and the direction of the game is still being controlled by them. But yeah, I still do want to know what currency is being used. I still feel that shard dust is still the best candidate of them all. Gems for shards will definitely be a nightmare.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Paloverde zfogshooterz

Totally agree guys. shards are a major part of the game and just ridiculous to obtain. Chromatic need to consider this for both brand new players and veteran players so therefore defender medals would be a bad choice in my opinion as players will want to unlock the new heros etc first.

I would like to see shards obtainable with gold via the vendor as both new and longtime players have this available to them. Maybe 200,000 per shard?

18 minutes ago, MiniTie said:

Maybe 200,000 per shard?

That seems really low, imo. With 0 Ap and no run bonus that would take 4 maps. I think 5mil is reasonable so I'm guessing it'll be 10 mil

Edited March 11, 2019 by BeerGoggles

Not all shards are equally wanted (in amount or by popularity), so i am not sure all shards should cost the same. Something you only need 10 of, versus 60+ of, is much less rare - so should it cost less? More? Should the big 3 be more or less available to everyone? 

I need like 60+ Destruction shards, and i will absolutely not pay 5M for each of them. I'd pay that for a single gilded one, but not the 10 or so i need for each gilding. 200K sounds much closer to me, as that would mean about 2M in cost for each, which is about what a HS costs to upgrade, so that would be on the line. 

Again - keep in mind that those who have not reset will not be swimming in gold. 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Jaws_420

I dunno dude. New players have a fixed timeline for getting a few rate shards. They also have rng ways to get them. 

 

By comparison, chromatic thinks 286 tokens is = to 10/10 of your choice. Thats 286/2 maps, so 143. At 0 Ap you probably average 75k gold per map so you'd earn just over 10mil gold.

This is all just speculation. I don't know what they should do, but it is what I think they would design

What if I told you they'll be like 3.5-5k dm though? 

Edited March 11, 2019 by BeerGoggles

2 minutes ago, BeerGoggles said:

What if I told you they'll be like 3.5-5k dm though? 

I would pay 5,000 DM for a gilded shard, not for one shard alone.

Exactly.  Also, DM is way worse for new players because it competes with so many other things.

Do you wanna get EV2 or rate shard? Other heroes? Drago? And its harder to acquire, since you can't trade for it.... Well, back to c4 i guess :(

Late game players have nothing to spend DM on anyway, so they could buy rates all day

 

I think it's like 60/40 in favor of gold vs dm. 

 

Lawlta, spare us by giving us the answers!!!

Edited March 11, 2019 by BeerGoggles

6 hours ago, BeerGoggles said:

Exactly.  Also, DM is way worse for new players because it competes with so many other things.

Do you wanna get EV2 or rate shard? Other heroes? Drago? And its harder to acquire, since you can't trade for it.... Well, back to c4 i guess :(

Late game players have nothing to spend DM on anyway, so they could buy rates all day

 

I think it's like 60/40 in favor of gold vs dm. 

 

Lawlta, spare us by giving us the answers!!!

Heck, I got def packs to reroll! And that's why my def medals is always at an all time low. ;)

Edited March 12, 2019 by Paloverde zfogshooterz

Just going to add on why shard dust is a good idea and why it should be - if we can buy a specific shard now, then the single shard pack that we currently buy from shard dust is no longer relevant. It'll most likely be a dead dud. And besides, I'm actually saving up my shard dust and not spending them for this very reason which hoping that I can use them for specific shards. ;)

But yeah, I guess we'll see how it goes. Yes, BeerGoggles, we need to be spared! XD

Edited March 12, 2019 by Paloverde zfogshooterz

11 minutes ago, hailminion said:

you need to be fair when u come up with a number like 5k DM. that's 5000/25 = 200 maps; If you apply same math, 200 maps * 100k = 20 mil gold. Does that sound like a number people would pay for one shard for gold? 

I'm just speculating. What do you think it'll be? with DM you gotta put the quests into the formula

Someone in Campaign should not be buying def rate anyways , how new is new and when does the vendor open? You don't need gilded shards and you don't want someone finishing campaign and buying up shards they should not have with their Dm bonus or bought gems either.

Even with that someone can get carried open c7 in an hour and start buying up all the shards and hitting c7 and rage quitting since they have zero idea how to play. 

Edited March 12, 2019 by uzar

@uzar, What do you think they should cost in terms of gold or dm?

Edited March 12, 2019 by BeerGoggles

I'd go for DM. Alot of people say they got alot of DM to spare so shards would be a very good way to spend DM.

11 minutes ago, BeerGoggles said:

@uzar, What do you think they should cost in terms of gold or dm?

No clue really no matter what the cost its going to get abused as you can bypass the entire chaos mode and just buy shards and there is no way that i can think of to stop anyone short of limiting it to ascension levels which doesn't work either

2 minutes ago, hailminion said:

Somehow that scenario got overlooked LOL. People like that gonna quit either way, so not in my concern. I just don't want ppl to quit for what I said earlier. 

. The problem is that many have 0 rate/range shard. 

Vendor is supposed to solve ppl at c7 farm lower tier. If you balance gold around someone like us. How do you expect "the new" to buy a shard for 10m+? they prolly go farm c4/c3.

 

Right but how do stop someone at campaign from buying def rates? Just pure cost? Which brings back to  Gold, Gems, DM , Dust or some new currency maybe? What is to much for 1 c7 floor 60 player can be nothing to another at the same level. 2 mil 5 mil 10 mil, 1k dm 5k dm? Gems?  new players at campaign are only limited to gold really.

It always pays to have high level friends. They can carry you all the way up to floor 900, all the way through mastery,  through all your resets. Buy you dinner, pay off your car loan, etc etc.

I dunno. that doesn't sound that bad

I don't think you'll be able to buy Shards of all levels straight off the bat. I think it be locked behind GS or until you unlock that normal Chaos level. I.E you can't buy Chaos 4  shards until you reach Chaos 4.

Maybe you can't buy shards till reset 5? Or maybe they just cost more? 100m per, but they come gilded. Maybe you can buy 1 shard per reset.. 

 

New currency is an option, but do you wanna do more inventory management?

So for new currency, how many maps worth do you think is reasonable? 

No matter how you do it if you can buy specific shards someone that has played 2 hours and carried to C7 will have all Def rates they need without even playing the game. At that point there is zero need to have shards drop at all as Dust is also useless. I am just going to buy what i need and bypass the whole system.

13 minutes ago, uzar said:

No matter how you do it if you can buy specific shards someone that has played 2 hours and carried to C7 will have all Def rates they need without even playing the game. At that point there is zero need to have shards drop at all as Dust is also useless. I am just going to buy what i need and bypass the whole system.

But that is the whole point - the vendor is wanted because many of us feel that the process is broken, and therefore should be bypassed. Drop rates suck, and dust has always been mostly useless. If they use DMs as a currency, then someone being carried would not get you enough DMs to do anything, depending on what the DM costs would be that is.