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The new drakenfrost keep with the dragon freezing defenses 3-4 times seems like it would be a good idea for incursion but it is just a nuisance when farming c7. Worse of all, it is horrendous for onslaught. It makes no sense that we already have to deal with modifiers and you throw this crazy idea where our defenses get frozen multiple times a round. I wasnt near hitting my max floor prior to this update but as soon as i hit 189 i called it quits. There already is no incentive to push beyond 80 other than to possibly get a defender pack and to get on the leaderboards. Making onslaught not just a chore, but an annoyance ever 10 levels is insanity. I want this map in onslaught but just take the stupid dragon out.  Id rather play 5 temples than play an incursion in onslaught. Or turn off modifiers and keep it as an incursion. Not both. I will not be playing onslaught anymore due to this so i guess thats it for me. No point in farming mods to play c7...


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I know its all up to personal opinion but i really like having something incursion style in onslaught. It helps change things up and i especially prefer this to having another lost temple map. The dragon freezing is fairly easy to deal with too if you have burning strikes, It also helps keep you active - something which until you hit very high onslaught you can tab out and do nothing. I would love to see magnus quarters and even Betsy added into the 9 floors rotation like drakonfrost, but its definitely not a main priority either way :D


Ps - i can totally see why some people would dislike this being added in, the dragons a total pain sometimes.

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The new drakenfrost keep with the dragon freezing defenses 3-4 times seems like it would be a good idea for incursion but it is just a nuisance when farming c7. Worse of all, it is horrendous for onslaught. It makes no sense that we already have to deal with modifiers and you throw this crazy idea where our defenses get frozen multiple times a round. I wasnt near hitting my max floor prior to this update but as soon as i hit 189 i called it quits. There already is no incentive to push beyond 80 other than to possibly get a defender pack and to get on the leaderboards. Making onslaught not just a chore, but an annoyance ever 10 levels is insanity. I want this map in onslaught but just take the stupid dragon out.  Id rather play 5 temples than play an incursion in onslaught. Or turn off modifiers and keep it as an incursion. Not both. I will not be playing onslaught anymore due to this so i guess thats it for me. No point in farming mods to play c7...


totally agree said some mix of this on another post

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i don't mind it but i think the dragon comes out too much, if you want him coming out there much there should be a way to stop him putting out the flames

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 I would have to agree I’m not a fan ,  an  incursion  Style Map has no place in Onslaught or C7 IMO.

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The new drakenfrost keep with the dragon freezing defenses 3-4 times seems like it would be a good idea for incursion but it is just a nuisance when farming c7. Worse of all, it is horrendous for onslaught. It makes no sense that we already have to deal with modifiers and you throw this crazy idea where our defenses get frozen multiple times a round. I wasnt near hitting my max floor prior to this update but as soon as i hit 189 i called it quits. There already is no incentive to push beyond 80 other than to possibly get a defender pack and to get on the leaderboards. Making onslaught not just a chore, but an annoyance ever 10 levels is insanity. I want this map in onslaught but just take the stupid dragon out.  Id rather play 5 temples than play an incursion in onslaught. Or turn off modifiers and keep it as an incursion. Not both. I will not be playing onslaught anymore due to this so i guess thats it for me. No point in farming mods to play c7...



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The new drakenfrost keep with the dragon freezing defenses 3-4 times seems like it would be a good idea for incursion but it is just a nuisance when farming c7. Worse of all, it is horrendous for onslaught. It makes no sense that we already have to deal with modifiers and you throw this crazy idea where our defenses get frozen multiple times a round. I wasnt near hitting my max floor prior to this update but as soon as i hit 189 i called it quits. There already is no incentive to push beyond 80 other than to possibly get a defender pack and to get on the leaderboards. Making onslaught not just a chore, but an annoyance ever 10 levels is insanity. I want this map in onslaught but just take the stupid dragon out.  Id rather play 5 temples than play an incursion in onslaught. Or turn off modifiers and keep it as an incursion. Not both. I will not be playing onslaught anymore due to this so i guess thats it for me. No point in farming mods to play c7...


i am not a fan of the map being in onslaught . I have only tried it once last night and it was ridiculous . assassins attacking me every time he froze my towers , i cant imagine running around with a barb trying to light these torches . it feels like i am forced into an incursion with mutators , after failing the second wave twice i just exited the game . 


edit: feels like you should be playing this map with other people . i can see it being so much easier with just 1 extra person. I will try different strategies but i feel that my resetting is about to stop.  

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@Debs quote:

I know its all up to personal opinion but i really like having something incursion style in onslaught. It helps change things up and i especially prefer this to having another lost temple map. The dragon freezing is fairly easy to deal with too if you have burning strikes, It also helps keep you active - something which until you hit very high onslaught you can tab out and do nothing. I would love to see magnus quarters and even Betsy added into the 9 floors rotation like drakonfrost, but its definitely not a main priority either way :D


Ps - i can totally see why some people would dislike this being added in, the dragons a total pain sometimes.

If I wanted to play incursions, I would go play incursions.

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edit: feels like you should be playing this map with other people . i can see it being so much easier with just 1 extra person. I will try different strategies but i feel that my resetting is about to stop.  

Exactly, this change just makes onslaught annoying (and likely impossible for some) for solo players.   The freeze mechanic makes the new map completely worthless for farming the new re-roll items.   What was the point in even giving us a new map with things to farm if it was going to be made worthless as a farming map?  


In any event, I'll echo the sentiments of some prior posts and say that I have no plans on ever setting foot on Drakenfrost Keep as long as that freeze mechanic exists ( that includes no longer progressing in onslaught).


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I actually enjoy. My first time with it was OMG OMG OMG ***. But then I quickly realised, and burning strikes shard pretty much shuts down the problem straight away.

once i realized burning strikes makes a joke of the boss i started thinking , what is next? another boss that u need a specific shard / weapon for ? people will have different views on this depending on where you are in the game . i am trying to do resets , i dont want to have to gear up 4 players per reset to fight special bosses .  I did beat floor 49 earlier and i failed 4 times. its all about the timing , if he freezes my defenses with a big mob piled up the faster moving enemies break out of CC and kill the core . i really like it when he is flying around on his dragon freezing stuff and spawning as a boss at the same time freezing another lane . i never wanted a 10/10 tenacity so bad 

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Honnestly the frost map is kinda fun in onslaught , just did the 469 one and it is fun to play 

I do agree that it is a pain when you are just trying to afk, but otherwise it breaks the monotony of lost temple 

PS I play barb =), not as bad as it seems 

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The main issue is, let me give an example i ran into, if the dragon freezes a frost lane that is already walking on your traps, eve if you put it out within a second you have lost.  Reason being only 1 second of them walking forward will put them on top off your mans, auras and fissures and since there are so many in frosty lanes, your defenses will be fully frozen. If you could magically have 10x the defense damage it doesnt matter when the horde has frozen them off. Thats an instant lose, no matter what you do. So if you get bad timing with the dragon and lane, its an immediate GG. 

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Seems this new boss is tough on higher onslaught floors only  a few players like it maybe a tweak to it will help / ive not tried update yet so i don't have a opinion on it either way 

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I don't like the idea of defenses being frozen on onslaught. On high onslaught floors, frozen defenses for even a few seconds will end the map. It's one thing if you have to keep frosty vermin away from your towers so they don't freeze, but not having any control weather a lane with your towers gets frozen is STUPID....at least on onslaught. Even if you are quick to relight the torch spires, those precious moments can easily cost you the map.

Good idea for an incursion, horrible for high onslaught. It's like Trendy doesn't want us to advance floors anymore.

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It’s really Bad, like Mortal Kombat Annihilation Last Jedi Bad.😄

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I don't like the idea of defenses being frozen on onslaught. On high onslaught floors, frozen defenses for even a few seconds will end the map. It's one thing if you have to keep frosty vermin away from your towers so they don't freeze, but not having any control weather a lane with your towers gets frozen is STUPID....at least on onslaught. Even if you are quick to relight the torch spires, those precious moments can easily cost you the map.

Good idea for an incursion, horrible for high onslaught. It's like Trendy doesn't want us to advance floors anymore.


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Forgive me for the ignorance, I have not played the map as I'm a little occupied with some hurdles currently, but how is the map an incursion? Just curious there. I thought the Drakenlord is riding the dragon.

If it's an actual incursion like Bastille Master or Spectral Knights I would agree that it should've stayed or be at incursions. I'm one of those guys who's still waiting for incursion to return to it's former glory.

On second thought, I think I can just try the map once now.

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On 12/19/2018 at 7:18 AM, RustyCounterweight said:

I have no plans on ever setting foot on Drakenfrost Keep as long as that freeze mechanic exists ( that includes no longer progressing in onslaught).

I was 17 resets into my AP grind when drakenfrost came out. The lane freezing dragon was the last straw for me, 3rd time AP grind was made more annoying. Stopped playing for awhile hoping they'd change it. Hoping to reignite this conversation. Made a post in Suggestions about it. I still have alot I want to do in dd2 but I can't avoid the lane freezing dragon.

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On 12/19/2018 at 12:02 AM, Dabeasta said:

The new drakenfrost keep with the dragon freezing defenses 3-4 times seems like it would be a good idea for incursion but it is just a nuisance when farming c7. Worse of all, it is horrendous for onslaught. It makes no sense that we already have to deal with modifiers and you throw this crazy idea where our defenses get frozen multiple times a round. I wasnt near hitting my max floor prior to this update but as soon as i hit 189 i called it quits. There already is no incentive to push beyond 80 other than to possibly get a defender pack and to get on the leaderboards. Making onslaught not just a chore, but an annoyance ever 10 levels is insanity. I want this map in onslaught but just take the stupid dragon out.  Id rather play 5 temples than play an incursion in onslaught. Or turn off modifiers and keep it as an incursion. Not both. I will not be playing onslaught anymore due to this so i guess thats it for me. No point in farming mods to play c7...

 

I was 17 resets into my AP grind when drakenfrost came out. The lane freezing dragon was the last straw for me, 3rd time AP grind was made more annoying. Stopped playing for awhile hoping they'd change it. Hoping to reignite this conversation. Made a post in Suggestions about it. I still have alot I want to do in dd2 but I can't avoid the lane freezing dragon.

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Map is most definitely a pain, and it feels like a crap-shoot when it comes to surviving waves.  Ill-timed Assassin attack... poof.  Dealing with a mini-boss that's making too much progress and then getting the freeze on the other side of the map...poof.  A dozen other scenarios...poof.

I'm enjoying my current onslaught push.  160ish at the moment.  10/10 Tenacities leveled to Chaos VIII completely negate the freeze.  Thanks to whoever posted that on here.  The map is semi-amusing now.

That said, 10/10 Chaos VIII is a pretty demanding solution.  I play solo, and the map handed my backside to me a few dozen times prior to the mod setup.  I completely understand the frustration.

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To be honest, I'd be fine leaving Drakenfrost is if they would only make 1 small change to how frost functions in general: Fire elemental towers should be unaffected by freezing of any sort. It's a pretty simple fix that would still require players to plan, but wouldnt have frost orcs overwhelm your defenses due to that split second of them being frozen while you relight the torch.

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