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So, I used to play this quite often but got bored and was super hyped for barbarian, but i logged in today and i find out that hes gone from the create character screen, was he canceled?

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install Diablo 2, arguably the best barbarian of all times. Though I am more of a Javazon myself ;)

In dd2, the Barbarian got an education and became a Squire. The socialist free education and welfare system of Eterenia is far superior to that of Sanctuary. Its much like Europe in that regard. Just don't watch FlopsNews, as they will tell you Barbarians are ruining and undermining social values and causing disturbances in class.

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Oh goodness, go get D3.  I have about 500 hours as a Barb and the new armor sets and legendary affects are amazing.

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@Kambien quote:

Oh goodness, go get D3.  I have about 500 hours as a Barb and the new armor sets and legendary affects are amazing.

D3 gearing gives me aids these days. Some of the worst, it not the worst game design in blizzard history.

all gear is irrelevant, then you get 6 set bonus and all your attacks get multiplied by 2500%. How Fing lazy can they get.

I was playing this season with WD because I have played barb to death (literally, as I only play hardcore) and attacks do no damage in GR70+ but as soon as you activate your 2500% bonus stuff dies straight away. Such a clunky and lazy way of dealing with power creep.

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Nobody wants the Barbarian, except for a very vocal minority. It's the only hero you hear people talking about but it never wins any influence vote.

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Screw Barbarian. I want my Man & Machine. Still pissed that we got this stupid Mystic on account of the retarded rules they went by with that vote.

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I'd have to agree Man & Machine would have to come first, although I understand why the Dryad had to leapfrog it due to the Terraria crossover.

I suspect we may get the Barb before we get Chaos VI

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The barb is likely going to be a dps-only hero like the gunwitch, and like he was in DD1 - Although I really hope not. I am not against the idea of dps-only heroes, but I just get so much more excited when we have new towers enter the playing field, with new passives to boot :)

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@Ambiguous quote:

Screw Barbarian. I want my Man & Machine. Still pissed that we got this stupid Mystic on account of the retarded rules they went by with that vote.

Retarded rules? The hero with the most votes won. That is as simple, straightforward, and fair as the vote could possibly be. What's retarded about that? It would have been retarded if the hero with the most votes was not the winner.

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@Hom-Sha-Bom quote:


@Ambiguous quote:

Screw Barbarian. I want my Man & Machine. Still pissed that we got this stupid Mystic on account of the retarded rules they went by with that vote.

Retarded rules? The hero with the most votes won. That is as simple, straightforward, and fair as the vote could possibly be. What's retarded about that? It would have been retarded if the hero with the most votes was not the winner.

Man & Machine won both head to heads against the Mystic and the Barbarian. In normal round robin rules, Man & Machine would be declared the winner with a 2-0 record.

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@TUSM quote:


@Hom-Sha-Bom quote:


@Ambiguous quote:

Screw Barbarian. I want my Man & Machine. Still pissed that we got this stupid Mystic on account of the retarded rules they went by with that vote.

Retarded rules? The hero with the most votes won. That is as simple, straightforward, and fair as the vote could possibly be. What's retarded about that? It would have been retarded if the hero with the most votes was not the winner.

Man & Machine won both head to heads against the Mystic and the Barbarian. In normal round robin rules, Man & Machine would be declared the winner with a 2-0 record.

There were no head-to-head votes, though. From the very beginning before any influence vote went up the rules were made clear. Influence votes can only have 2 options but there were 3 heroes to choose from so we had to include each hero in 2 votes and sum the totals. Under the rules we were given the Mystic won. You can't say that if the rules were different the number of votes every round would have remained the same. We voted for Mystic the way we did because we knew what the rules were. If we were given different rules we would have voted differently.

If anything Mystic was at a disadvantage because everyone who wanted Barbarian or M&M had an extra week of influence points to spend, but Mystic was so far ahead it didn't matter. 

M&M's 1st round had 78 more votes than Mystic's 1st round.

Mystic's 2nd round had 13,594 more votes than M&M's 2nd round.

Mystic crushed M&M, though M&M did put up a much better fight than Barbarian did. 

We didn't end up with a 2-0 M&M, 1-1 Mystic, and 0-2 Barbarian. We ended up with 57,913 points for Mystic, 44,397 points for M&M, and 28,605 points for Barbarian.

When Barbarian comes out before M&M then you can have something to complain about, and I will be right there with you on your side. But Mystic was the clear winner here.

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@Hom-Sha-Bom quote:

There were no head-to-head votes, though.

There absolutely were head to head votes. You can't call 3 separate rounds of hero vs hero as anything but head to head. Fact is, M&M won the head to head vote against Mystic, albeit barely.

@Hom-Sha-Bom quote:

We voted for Mystic the way we did because we knew what the rules were.

No way it is as clear cut as that. Way too idealistic. I work in IT support, so I speak from experience when I say that it does not matter how obvious you make something. A surprising amount of people still aren't going to get the memo. For example, I myself didn't know this until the first round was already over. Not everyone reads the forums all the time. In fact, I'd wager most don't. Even among those of us that do, it's not difficult to miss a post detailing the rules, or not fully read the instructions. Sure, you can argue that is the user's own fault, and it is. But at the same time, there is an argument to be made that the service provider has a responsibility to avoid obvious potential for confusion. Yes, I realize I am referring to myself here as well.

Finally, and this is perhaps the most important point, the fact that influence votes are a finite resource skews the fairness of typical round-robin voting. Because of this, the earlier rounds have an advantage in the total number of possible votes that are in play. In other words, I disagree that M&M being in the third round was his advantage. If you say the time between the first round and the third is M&M's advantage, then the time between the last influence vote entirely and the start of this one was the Mystic's since they had the first two rounds with the largest voting pools to pull from. If they got rid of the current influence vote accumulation and everyone had 1 vote per topic, I'd agree that a round robin would be pretty fair, though still a silly way of doing things with only 3 competitors in the first place. But it wasn't like that, and still isn't. Because of that, it was never fair from the start.

 I say that a combination of users not knowing the rules, and the fact that Mystic had both their rounds consecutively in rounds 1 and 2, both played a part in her victory. I'd bet money that M&M would have won if he'd been in round 2 instead of the Mystic.

In any case, I've personally received confirmation that Trendy knows that the vote they held that time wasn't a good idea, and they won't be repeating it. Here's a past post where iamisom replied to this concern of mine, referring to the round-robin vote as nonsense: 

@Ambiguous quote:

but if you guys decide to have another one, please do not do it the same way. Either have round victors matter, OR one big vote between all the choices with most votes winning.  Either of those would be better than what you guys did last time.

"Oh, for sure. If we do another hero vote, it'll be 1v1, no round-robin nonsense. The winner of the vote will be the winner of the vote."

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@Ambiguous quote:


@Ambiguous quote:

but if you guys decide to have another one, please do not do it the same way. Either have round victors matter, OR one big vote between all the choices with most votes winning.  Either of those would be better than what you guys did last time.

"Oh, for sure. If we do another hero vote, it'll be 1v1, no round-robin nonsense. The winner of the vote will be the winner of the vote."

I don't care what label the put on it. The rules were clearly laid out a head of time.

The hero with the most Influence Points from all three rounds together will be our next hero!

The point is you cannot say the rules of the vote had no effect on how people cast their votes. It's more than plausible that Mystic still would have win if they did who ever wins head to head twice wins. Only 78 vote difference between M&M and Mystic out of tens of thousands of votes? That's nothing. That's 0.17% of the votes that were cast in round 1. Less than 1 fifth of 1 percent. One person could have moved that to Mystic if the rule was that Mystic had to win round 1. But that was not the rule so it didn't matter.

You were just salty that you didn't win. But Barbarian will be next. M&M will stay on the back shelf. And that will be BS. And I will agree with you when that happens.

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Im just glad he wasn't officially canceled, looks like ill be back to dundef in a few months. also i did play d3, hc s8 barb, but meh. I appreciate the... replies.

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I'm saving all of my Influence Points for the Barbarian... but I know he's gonna be the last thing to come out :'( </3

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@Fozzie quote:

I'd have to agree Man & Machine would have to come first, although I understand why the Dryad had to leapfrog it due to the Terraria crossover.

I suspect we may get the Barb before we get Chaos VI

I wish you were right about the M&M part :) 

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