This next update doesn't make any sense

Pro's

• Dark Assassin
• Crumbled Bulwark
• New Incursion

Con's

• No EV2 weapon
• No Gun Witch weapon
• No ipwr 750 Ring
• No ipwr 750 Totem

Wtf?

• Mystic Weapon

I don't get why we are farming a weapon for a character we don't even know anything about, but the kicker for me is no ipwr 750 item. Well besides the new Mystic weapon. Thank god for the Dark Assassin or I wouldn't bother with this map.

It could be fun maybe?

I just wanted to read: fixing some major defense bugs, improving sphere, class and tower balance.

But I think its a pretty staple hallmark of DD2 that those issues are at the bottom of the pile.

I think youre jumping the gun here.

Who's to say EV2 & gunwitch weapons wont come in the future

along with the 750 ring & totem?

Frankly, 750 ipwr items are a blatant joke, this is coming from someone who has farmed those items several dozen hours over.

Huge waste of time, especially since they give a minuscule increase to your overall potency in your builds. Only there for bragging rights.

The weapons dropping for mystic does seem a bit odd, especially since she wont be released until after this update. 

Edit: in their latest video, their showing of the altar assassin seems a bit vague. Like I have absolutely no clue what they even do. I can only assume they're similar to how the dark assassin functions, but thats only because i've played dd1 & have seen speculation on the forums

[[149893,users]] the only reason for me to play the game is now 750's, there is not a single 700 item in the game that is an upgrade, outside of slots that don't yet have a 750 allocated to them. 

For me that is the Monk Betsy weapon, 6 random stats that need to be good on a loot table of 4, there is a smaller chance of me getting a good Betsy weapon then getting a 750 item, so even less point to grind that.

All other 660-700 gear on my main chars is either perfectly rolled or extremely close to perfect meaning again no point farming 700 gear.

I will do this new incursion, but there will be no point gear wise, and if they don't balance LA's, SGT's and fix both Frostbites & SGTs I might not even be able to complete it on NM4.

That is the state of the game for some of us.

@Dewkin quote:

I think youre jumping the gun here.

Who's to say EV2 & gunwitch weapons wont come in the future

along with the 750 ring & totem?

Frankly, 750 ipwr items are a blatant joke, this is coming from someone who has farmed those items several dozen hours over.

Huge waste of time, especially since they give a minuscule increase to your overall potency in your builds. Only there for bragging rights.

The weapons dropping for mystic does seem a bit odd, especially since she wont be released until after this update. 

I never said they weren't going to get weapons, it just doesn't make sense that they are skipping out on them for a character's weapon we don't even have yet.

Not including 750 ipwr ring or totem would just be lazy.

Dark Assassin rocks, map rocks. The rest is good, just this one thing is bothering me.

Yes 750 ipwr items are abit of a joke, but it's either farm them or don't play the game.

Who made the decision in adding this content to the game? Why is this patch a thing right now?

Why did that/those person/people decide that this is a must and has a bigger priority over bug fixes and balances?

Weren't you guys putting all your efforts to make the revamp arrive as soon as possible? Doesn't look like it...

Why are you adding a new map with a weapon to a hero which comes out in like 2 and 1/2 weeks that looks like it'll bore everyone to death (I'm sure the creator did a great job, but where does she fit right now?), without any 700+ iPWR drop? Am I missing something here? What's the point of me doing this map since it adds nothing interesting? An enemy that comes after me? Wow, how utterly exciting. Why now?

A lot of questions literally everywhere about the 700+ iPWR drops, why does nobody even bothers answering those BASIC questions?

Why doesn't anyone except iamisom and VERY FEW others tries to answer the questions some players have outside the stupid stream Q&A? Dev Logs, you call it?

For once, I'd like to be enlightened on these questions in the forums because quite frankly, I gave up on the game.

You guys gotta be crazy if you think I'll sit around and play this game when there's nothing in it for me anymore. I've dragged myself in hope for a bit too long now. I've reached that point where all I want is answers and I want to understand just what the hell you guys at trendy are thinking/want for the game in the long run, because as a player and someone who used to enjoy your game, I stand tired of discussing stuff with other people in the forums to see every idea the players give go to waste/not even being considered.

As the game stands now and with these decisions without shedding any light over them, I wish you the very best of lucks in gathering around new players that are willing to stick with you guys for as long as some of us did.

[[150185,users]] Have I ever told you the definition of insanity? Its when you do the same thing over & over again expecting things to change.

Seem familiar with your grinding dilemma & those 750ipwr gear pieces? 

Im an end game player, Majority of my heroes have got 701-750 ipwr gear in their slots.

I stopped playing all together when I realized how stupid I was to use all the time & effort for gear pieces that did nothing for me.

I now lurk the forums from time to time awaiting a substantial update or 2 that will revamp the difficulty & make 750 gear pieces worth while

What's next Trendy? You'll release gem costumes for unreleased heroes as well?

• Fix your bugs (The healing fountain from Abyss Lord is bugged since release. HERO. HEALING. ABILITY. BUGGED. SINCE. RELEASE. +5 MONTHS AGO. Passives like 360 No Scope not stacking and Proton Charge Width not doing anything since you released them, etc.)
• Fix your drops (Loot V2 for all heroes)
• Fix your 750 iPWR drop rate (FRUSTRATING UNREWARDING GRIND FEST)

Finish the community request update you said you'll deliver, we don't need a new map with a weapon we can't even use.

I'm a fan of the content minus the weapon choice. That sets a crappy precedent if we don't let them know.

New heroes should start being released with at least 1-2 unique weapons (until they decide to redo the passive system). 

Skipping/going out of order isn't cool though. I'm fine with idea of Mystic getting a pre-hype weapon, but not at the expense of active classes having to wait longer.

I'm sure you have your reasons (like saving Gunwitch for Wild West map or something), but I really don't like this concept. At the very least, create a couple non i750 weapons for all classes or something. They definitely feel incomplete without at least something to toy with or farm.

What I want:

• Fix bugs 
• Balance Towers
• Balance DPS heroes
• Balance Loot 
• Then release some challenging Content

What Trendy will Do:

• Sell a bugged overpowered hero
• Release a map
  
• Break some Towers
• Break some Loot
• Break some spheres
• Introduce some more bugs
• Widen the Power gap between Towers/Classes

Am I joking? we will see^^

An iPWR 750 Ring will drop from the Incursion.  :D

Once we release the Campaign Revamp, we'll be pushing harder to make endgame more enjoyable. I know it's frustrating right now, but it's not something we're ignoring. Our plans should hopefully please a large portion of our community. They won't please everyone -- nothing ever will -- but I personally like what I'm hearing. We should have more details to share shortly after the Campaign/Mystic update.

On that note, something to keep in mind is that all of our development efforts are geared towards the release of our game. We need to make sure the game as a whole is a sound product, which includes adding in new content (content deficiency was one of the cons we heard most when we put the game up on Early Access). That also includes fixing bugs. We're not ignoring these bugs. We're almost done with our new bug reporting system that will give an extra layer of transparency into the bug reporting/fixing process. I know you don't like to hear excuses, but I offer this not as an excuse but as just something to keep in mind -- we are a small team trying to fix all of the problems of our game while trying to keep current players happy and do everything we think we need to do for future players when we release the game. It's no small feat. Everybody is pushing themselves constantly, day after day, to do right by you. If we fall short, it's not for lack of trying. 

As for the Mystic weapon, honestly we just got super excited about the theme of the Incursion. The Mystic uses daggers, and the Incursion is based on rituals, so it was a perfect fit. That's not to say that making an Incursion weapon for a new hero before a new hero releases won't happen again, but in this instance, it was just a really cool idea that we got excited about. 

I gotta go to a funeral, so I won't be able to answer any follow-up questions until next week. 

Take care.  <3

Almost any time an update happens, some stuff will break and need a fix. This isn't the only game that suffers from that by a long shot.

That said, if Mystic seems too good to be true, I won't buy her with gems like I usually like to do. I'll wait till she's crippled into mediocrity so I won't feel compelled to be bitter about it. I've never had my opinion on a class flip so hard after one patch like Lavamancer did. His initial state was borderline inexcusable if you didn't intend for him to be that strong. I'm usually pretty forgiving on testing/etc, but I found most of those bugs within an hour or two of having him lvl 50, and I wasn't even trying to be creative yet. I just did the normal stuff I do when feeling a class out. It felt... intentional tbh.

Tower balance I honestly feel like is pretty good top to bottom. I really do. There are outliers on both ends that need some work, and I'll admit I don't have an obvious fix for some of them that would keep them fun and relevant AND balanced, but honestly, it's mostly solid.

New maps are welcome if they'd stop not putting the normal version at a low ipwr. Molten Citadel normal map feels like a waste. Incursion is cool, but both could have been relevant.

iamisom - We feel ya. Most of my feedback, at least, is just honest thoughts from the user end. I still play often and buy gems and love the game for what it is, even though my prayers to the Trendy gods have yet to net me a Narwhagon.

EDIT: Though, I never see anyone address stuff like the lopsided pricing practices of costumes and such. That's not really a code thing. The lack of consistency needs to be addressed and dealt with imho.

iamisom Hell yeah that's better. A 750 ring, I was hoping for that next.

Frustration with end game isn't the word. I look at it what we have and can't help comparing it to DD1 and it's not even close. The enemy variety is lacking and nothing is truly a threat. Not even an Ogre.

I know you guys can do better and that's why I hang around. Sometimes I take breaks from the game now and again and play other games, but I still keep up to date with what's happening.

I literally have zero interest in this campaign update, besides bigger exp and Mystic. That's just me being honest. At least it has something for me I guess.

The bug fixes should be priority, some of them are ridiculously bad and making people leave. This new system sounds promising though.

You guys say you are trying to keep current players happy. The problem I have with the current direction is that it's like you guys took everything that worked with DD1 and chose to forgot about it to try something new. It's a fair point to bring in as many players as you want, but the end game players just feel neglected and this isn't a recent thing either. Good to know that the next update is what alot of us have been waiting for.

If you like what you are hearing then it must be decent.

You are right though not everyone can be happy with the choices you make, but some of the choices make just don't make sense. I try to understand the thought pattern that goes through these design decisions and just draw a blank.

Well that explains the mystic situation, but see and this is one of those things that doesn't make sense. If Mystic isn't currently in the game wouldn't farming this weapon be pointless?, thanks to her passives not being implemented.

Anyway this isn't an attack on you as I'm sure you aware. I mean how many years have I stuck with you guys through awesome times like DD1 and sub par times like DDE and horrible times like DD2 moba. So i'm sure you know how I work. I'm not going to sugar coat things, but i'm not close minded to not offer praise as well.

Anyway this is just a direct comment to trendy to wake up! and listen more to what people are saying.

Sorry to hear about the funeral, that's never an easy thing. So hope it goes well.

In defense games its fun to find new creative ways to build defenses vs challenging maps.
Problem is, defenses are not balanced, and game not challenging atm, due to unbalance, or just not enough challenge.  Kinda making it boring when u can win using 1 tower only.

What bothers me about players complaints is that over a year ago the complaints were the exact opposite "Stop updating over and over the 4 heroes, add new maps, add new heroes".

And now that they do people want the opposite, would the community please wait a bit the next major update and see how it goes ?

I am really not thrilled about the content of Tuesday's update but let's try it first before complaining too much, even if the Mystic weapon weeks before she's released is very odd (and specially dps weapon ...)

nice 750 ipwr ring cominG !!!!

@Rebel Gnome quote:

Who made the decision in adding this content to the game? Why is this patch a thing right now?

Why did that/those person/people decide that this is a must and has a bigger priority over bug fixes and balances?

Weren't you guys putting all your efforts to make the revamp arrive as soon as possible? Doesn't look like it...

You need to understand that different people do different jobs. For example, the Diaz brothers built the Crumbled Bulwark map. Collins created the incursion. Some art person, I don't know who, created the new assets for the Dark Assassin, the Dark Prophets, and their Dark Tomes. None of these people are programmers who could have otherwise spent time fixing bugs.

Do you want these guys to just sit around doing absolutely nothing until all the bugs get fixed?

@Hom-Sha-Bom quote:

@Rebel Gnome quote:

Who made the decision in adding this content to the game? Why is this patch a thing right now?

Why did that/those person/people decide that this is a must and has a bigger priority over bug fixes and balances?

Weren't you guys putting all your efforts to make the revamp arrive as soon as possible? Doesn't look like it...

You need to understand that different people do different jobs. For example, the Diaz brothers built the Crumbled Bulwark map. Collins created the incursion. Some art person, I don't know who, created the new assets for the Dark Assassin, the Dark Prophets, and their Dark Tomes. None of these people are programmers who could have otherwise spent time fixing bugs.

Do you want these guys to just sit around doing absolutely nothing until all the bugs get fixed?

If they're not programmers, how does the map WORK? How was it rendered INTO the game and how is it a PHYSICAL thing? Who programmed stuff for mystic? Towers? Skills? Gear passives? Who made the map functions of the map work? The Art person? The one encharged of painting the textures? Come on dude, you're not dumb and you're certainly not ignorant from the posts I've seen you do. Just because you want to sit by their side doesn't mean my questions aren't valid.

They can design all they want, but the questions remain the same. Textures don't magically start working and doing stuff by themselves, so which programmers made them work and who decided this was important right now? Hence the follow up question, why is this a thing now? Who gave the priorities? If there's programmers working on a new map, character, skills and towers, what happened to supposedly very high priority revamp patch?

I don't get it, I honestly don't, but I'm also done discussing this. My questions are there and nobody seems interested enough to even try to answer them, so why should I bother trying to get the answers any more than I already did?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The game is currently dead to me, I'm just lingering around the forums for the past 2-3 days. Once the IMPORTANT PATCHES arrive, who knows if I'll still have interest or if I've found another game to keep me entertained? Besides, +1, -1 player, who gives a crap? Certainly not them. Except apparently I'm not the only one.

Take care.

I'd imagine they have a crew dedicated to bugs atm. Throwing more people on that pile may not speed that process up at all. Idk. I don't work there lol.

Ok, so it's clear that you know less than nothing about development. I've made maps for Half-Life, Counter-Strike, TFC, StarCraft, WarCraft 3, and Savage, none of them required any programming. The rendering already exists. Spawning functionality already exists. AI already exists. These things do not need to be reprogrammed for every map.

The Assassin that targets players instead of towers might be the only thing that required new programming, but I'm not even positive about that. Sometimes enemies will attack the player, sometimes they will attack defenses. It could be that the existing AI just has priorities for players and defenses and they might have been able to just use all preexisting AI for it but set defense targetting priority to 0. It's all speculation though, but it is at least conceivable that they would be able to implement this without needing any new programming. It all comes down to how easy they made it to implement new content. Even adding the map to the map selection might not require any programming if it's setup right.

Lol the same old trendy 2.0

More DPS stuff too.. where are the build weapons ? I'm excited to see mystic towers. I couldn't care less about any DPS anything.

[[4370,users]] My condolences. Hope it goes well.

As far as everyone else...

I don't have an issue with this update as far as just giving us a new map... (While I don't think it should be priority, programmers != designers. Programmers intentionally create management tools so that designers don't NEED programmers all the time).

Although similarily, balance shouldn't really require programmers either... short of just physically changing the numbers maybe (that if the code is architecture is set up properly, should be easy)

And while I'm glad Iamisom told us about the ring (that should of been one of the most important information pieces imo...), I still think that the way 750 armor/trinkets are handled is terrible currently. I'm fine with the specific unique 750 weapons... But having individual gear pieces on seperate maps, with small chances each, is a terrible design imo.

And the absolute SILLIEST thing in this patch to me is the weapon. Even if we ignore how little it makes sense that 3 currently released heros do not have 750 weapons, and that we'd be farming for an UNRELEASED hero's weapon... This is just a terrible decision in planning for balance.

Remember storm gloves release? When Trendy had to effectively reduce the power of the gloves to 3.33% of what they ORIGINALLY thought was balanced? They knew all the pieces comming into play then... They have no idea what sort of meta/balance conerns the general populous might find upon release of the Mystic that was overlooked in testing. To throw a whole extra layer of possible balance concerns before she is even released... just seems suicidal to the health of the game.

Don't forget Storm Helm either, who's effect is slowly being made inert on various heroes. :(