Siphon Site D has HORRIBLE map design.

So I'm playing Onslaught on SSD. Round 36 the wall on the lane with the sub breaks down because the people who joined decided to afk. Either that or people are idiots and don't know how to repair. Anyways, the sub is destroyed. At this point I know it's game over. Why?

It's because of the lane that opens up when the sub is destroyed. That extremely short lane that's a few yards from the main objective. Did you know that if you put a wall up to block that lane, mobs will either throw their bombs or spears while still INSIDE their invincible spawn, or throw right over the wall and straight at the objective. That's not all. This match taught me that it gets even worse. On the sub lane, after it's broken, mobs can go past it a bit, turn right, and shoot straight over the railing and into the main objective. Malthius and his spearmen decided to just shoot the damn thing instead of continuing to go down the lane and into the wall and towers that were set up for it.

And if nobody has realized it yet, or if it hasn't been said enough, Onslaught is HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE!!!! I spent 5 (five!) hours to get to round 35. I expected a golden egg every round after that, just like some other people on this board were able to do. I didn't get a gold egg on round 36. And after 5 hours and 36 rounds, my pet only gained 9 pet levels. After realizing that loot drops were freaking terrible, my only goal left was to get a Golden Fairy Creepmother. After this experience, I literally have 0 reason to play this game now.

Everyone realized onsalught sucks awhile back lol.  I dont mind the map But agree once you loose the one switch the difficulty, if you can call it that goes up quick.

Sucks that you had AFK players not supporting your build. There seems to be so much "forget the sub cores and lets just build on the crystal".  There is nothing wrong with it I guess if you are but I like that you kind of get punished a bit for not building out in the lanes.  I think it should get real hard as incentive to not let the sub cores fall. That being said I don't like that map either.

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Sucks that you had AFK players not supporting your build. There seems to be so much "forget the sub cores and lets just build on the crystal".  There is nothing wrong with it I guess if you are but I like that you kind of get punished a bit for not building out in the lanes.  I think it should get real hard as incentive to not let the sub cores fall. That being said I don't like that map either.

If anything not just onslaught maps, should boost the chance of Leg drops by a percent if  sub cores are alive not just xp,  ppl will try to hold if the boost is worthy

Onslaught is extremely boring, and i haven't seen one single golden egg in any of my runs.

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Onslaught is extremely boring, and i haven't seen one single golden egg in any of my runs.

Thats crazy Iv never not got one at 15 and 25

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@Chappyy quote:

Sucks that you had AFK players not supporting your build. There seems to be so much "forget the sub cores and lets just build on the crystal".  There is nothing wrong with it I guess if you are but I like that you kind of get punished a bit for not building out in the lanes.  I think it should get real hard as incentive to not let the sub cores fall. That being said I don't like that map either.

If anything not just onslaught maps, should boost the chance of Leg drops by a percent if  sub cores are alive not just xp,  ppl will try to hold if the boost is worthy

Totally agree that you should get a better bonus for sub cores.

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Onslaught is extremely boring, and i haven't seen one single golden egg in any of my runs.

Thats crazy Iv never not got one at 15 and 25

Did a run yesterday and quit out of boredom at lvl. 26 - no golden egg.

I completely agree, losing the subcore on SSD essentially forfeits the round. I think it should either be made into a primary core, removed altogether, or the map redesigned to better accommodate an additional lane. The subcore's lane needs to be looked at too. Are kobolds supposed to auto-aggro out of the gates? :O

on the other hand the new tavern looks GREAT

Just a few week ago onsl was considered the holy golden grail :D. Man how fast the tides are switching. Hopefull they will change it abit, i would love to do some onsl, but it's just way to time consuming currently =(.

Are you guys choosing pets as reward? I've always gotten a golden egg at least at 15. 36+ ive only tested on insane liferoot where i did get golden eggs every round. Dont know about siphon site.

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@Woqini quote:

Onslaught is extremely boring, and i haven't seen one single golden egg in any of my runs.

Thats crazy Iv never not got one at 15 and 25

Did a run yesterday and quit out of boredom at lvl. 26 - no golden egg.

That doesn't sound right. Designland is saying that may be a bug. Would you mind filling out a support ticket? I'll flag QA on it and  they'll take a look at that. 

As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

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That doesn't sound right. Designland is saying that may be a bug. Would you mind filling out a support ticket? I'll flag QA on it and  they'll take a look at that. 

As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

You can add some sort of AFK auto kicker while in game? Maybe only in public matches because I know there are people in private games who like to AFK. 

@I_PASS_BUTTER quote:

As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

I agree that the main problem is people, but I still think there is a good question here:

 Should losing the sub-objectives make the rest of the match merely difficult, or impossible to finish? Does the gameplay match up with the plan?

Im kind of curious as i have evry builder and dps in the game as of this moment to why you claim that afkers is the problem of your build i never encountered a problem like this by simply repairing things each round or evry 4 waves its fine..so that means ur afk aswell and dont pay attention to your own stuff?

to make it perfectly clear onslaught is to easy it should scale from your current ipwr and upwards from thereon and reward you based the progress you make beyond that

there really shouldnt be any normal mode of it nor  hard it should just be onslaught and scale

@I_PASS_BUTTER quote:

That doesn't sound right. Designland is saying that may be a bug. Would you mind filling out a support ticket? I'll flag QA on it and  they'll take a look at that. 

As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

There are a lot of maps with really really short distance between secondary objectives and spwan areas, it would be great if they adjusted objectives position on every map. They don't seem to realize is really really frustrating to lose a secondary objective being almost 1 shotted at nm4 due to a "glitch". (because that's how it feels).

If you don't want to reposition them to a "proper" position you could just make them tanks...

Wouldn't it be greater is Greystone Plaza left secondary was 2 meters back away

What about Liferoot Main core, imagine it 2 mts behind into the base, i dont think it would affect the game that much, it's just more "secure".

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As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

Huh? Every game has stupid players, and no matter what you do, that won't change. Mostly everyone here has had their experiences with those kind of people. They just felt like posting about that issue here for some reason. The main reason for this topic is because the map does indeed have a bad design.

How can a lane be so short that putting a wall a few feet from the main objective can allow mobs to shoot at it from inside their spawn? And if they decide to take a step or two out of the spawn, they can bypass the wall and attack the main directly. But the worst offense is that the lane with the sub, after broken, has a clear line of site to the main objective where mobs can decide to turn around and shoot at it instead of walking their entire lane. It's just like one of the lanes in Greystone Plaza. I don't remember which side of the map it is (probably left), but spear throwers can and do walk out of their spawn, and chuck their spears over the path and hit the sub.

Would you like some pictures? I could insert some poorly edited pics in this thread.

I want to reiterate again, this isn't another topic about bad players. I was just frustrated that the people watching their lane wasn't really watching it. Sure the sub broke, but I could have kept going for another round or more, if not for the short lane and mobs attacking the main directly instead of walking their path.

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@I_PASS_BUTTER quote:

As for SSD, the issues in this thread seem to be more about toxic players and less about map design. What can we do to improve this aspect of matchmaking, Defenders?

Huh? Every game has stupid players, and no matter what you do, that won't change. Mostly everyone here has had their experiences with those kind of people. They just felt like posting about that issue here for some reason. The main reason for this topic is because the map does indeed have a bad design.

How can a lane be so short that putting a wall a few feet from the main objective can allow mobs to shoot at it from inside their spawn? And if they decide to take a step or two out of the spawn, they can bypass the wall and attack the main directly. But the worst offense is that the lane with the sub, after broken, has a clear line of site to the main objective where mobs can decide to turn around and shoot at it instead of walking their entire lane. It's just like one of the lanes in Greystone Plaza. I don't remember which side of the map it is (probably left), but spear throwers can and do walk out of their spawn, and chuck their spears over the path and hit the sub.

Would you like some pictures? I could insert some poorly edited pics in this thread.

yeah, it's the left one.  

It's also exactly the same problem the first spooky map had and they fixed it the week of release - so the map/dev/bug/whoever team acknowledges that is poor design in need of fixing.

Except siphon site D and greystone have been the same for ages.. I just kind of play around it but there is no doubt it's a problem and the team responsible has demonstrated they're against that kind of mechanic.  It just seems it hasn't crossed their desk yet

Yeah short lanes are pretty annoying. Lot of them though. I tend to just go overboard with defenses for those lanes though and with the loss of DU I solo the other longer lanes......well attempt to. On the harder levels it's pretty tricky.

Justice bump.

Does the gameplay match up with the plan?

Hehe,  do you think there is a plan? Thats the Main problem With dd2.