Tanking Nightmare 4

Is this generally possible?

I have a DPS squire, he is fun to play at NM3. Not really usefull but funny. With well timed shieldblocks, serenety and Provoke you can barely survive NM3 and do some dmg sometimes. In NM4 is end with any blocking, surviving and the question of DPS dont show up at all.

Now i am experimenting again with monks, boosting dmg. I think the best statcombo would be Herodamage/Herohealth. Is it at all possible to stay NM4 as mellee? What stats are needed? How many HP? Is it worth to stack some phys resist?

I can tank nm4 inc with my wall squire. He has 21k health and curse aura. As long as im in a serenity aura and don't get hit by more than 1 kobolt at a time.

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Is this generally possible?

I have a DPS squire, he is fun to play at NM3. Not really usefull but funny. With well timed shieldblocks, serenety and Provoke you can barely survive NM3 and do some dmg sometimes. In NM4 is end with any blocking, surviving and the question of DPS dont show up at all.

Now i am experimenting again with monks, boosting dmg. I think the best statcombo would be Herodamage/Herohealth. Is it at all possible to stay NM4 as mellee? What stats are needed? How many HP? Is it worth to stack some phys resist?

This is funny because I can never find builders in NM4; It's all DPS Huntresses or Mages

Yes. I have done it NM4 Incursion multiple times with my waller character of all things.

So 100% confirmed to be able to tank at higher difficulties.

Yes.

However I find it hard to solo with a tank in NM4 inc as you are in front of the walls and it is harder to keep track on the wall health.

Part of a team though, yes, for sure it is very possible

It's doable easily. Best method is not by guarding with shield however. You want to swing a couple times to move the mobs back and then run backwards to avoid getting hit. Great way to prevent mobs from gangbanging the walls. Pure wall Squires in pubs are basically leechers tho. Hate em.

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It's doable easily. Best method is not by guarding with shield however. You want to swing a couple times to move the mobs back and then run backwards to avoid getting hit. Great way to prevent mobs from gangbanging the walls. Pure wall Squires in pubs are basically leechers tho. Hate em.

Uh you do know we just beat NM4 Incursion all the waves with tier 1 walls just using waller squires right?

Since we were all farming for hearty gear.

To call a Wall Squire a leecher means you just haven't met one that knows what it's doing and you obviously don't know how to play one if you think hitting mobs a couple of times is the way to save your walls. Your shield will save your ass and if you want to tank properly you must have it out all the time.

Nothing beats having a Squire (waller or otherwise) in a lane with a cluster of traps infront of mobs while holding yourr shield out and regaining health back from the serenity aura's with purge evil.

Not to mention you stop Witherbeasts in their track where they don't aggro as you block their path and if you see a frozen one you can OHKO them with a shield smash.

If done right your walls won't get hurt much at all and that makes for easy repair once your lane dies down.

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It's doable easily. Best method is not by guarding with shield however. You want to swing a couple times to move the mobs back and then run backwards to avoid getting hit. Great way to prevent mobs from gangbanging the walls. Pure wall Squires in pubs are basically leechers tho. Hate em.

Leechers ?? wtf, you obviously have no idea on how to use a squire.

Yeah as Knows says the meta for Gates 4 Inc is trap cluster at Max frosty range then just up traps walls hardly take a hit.

Even did a build moving walls right up by spawns with clustered traps not so optimal but with decent players reasonable enough to do.

DPS on ogres has made NM4 Inc accessible to most end game players.

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@dwade123 quote:

It's doable easily. Best method is not by guarding with shield however. You want to swing a couple times to move the mobs back and then run backwards to avoid getting hit. Great way to prevent mobs from gangbanging the walls. Pure wall Squires in pubs are basically leechers tho. Hate em.

Leechers ?? wtf, you obviously have no idea on how to use a squire.

He simply means there are a lot of leechers in public games.
Which no one can really deny.

They don't always come in the form of a squire though!! But it's rare to see a good squire tank in a public game, No doubt about that one.

Squire has at least the synergie to have massive HP while placing walls. The monk has usually nothing worthy to bring in round.

You can easily tank with wall squire stats but that takes the fun out of it really, if u were to get a good balance of phys/magic resist  AP and HP aswell as have the pet that heals u for max hp evrey 8s or so probably be even easyer.

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You can easily tank with wall squire stats but that takes the fun out of it really, if u were to get a good balance of phys/magic resist  AP and HP aswell as have the pet that heals u for max hp evrey 8s or so probably be even easyer.

Curse aura pet is way stronger than the fairy. Inside a serenity with shield up, kobolds do like 500 dmg or less. 

You can tank with a wall squire easily and it is a cake walk with a def squire. Back then tank squires where one of the reason how many players arrived and cleared NM4 content at all. They were and still are very strong.

A Tank squire can hold 1-2 lanes and even 3 bosses at the same time in nm4.

So yeah it's not only possible, it is one of the best ways to do nm4 too.

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You can tank with a wall squire easily and it is a cake walk with a def squire. Back then tank squires where one of the reason how many players arrived and cleared NM4 content at all. They were and still are very strong.

A Tank squire can hold 1-2 lanes and even 3 bosses at the same time in nm4.

So yeah it's not only possible, it is one of the best ways to do nm4 too.

I have a waller squire and he gets taken out really quickly by goblin exploders/drags.  Are there some spheres beside (target me, defenses do % more damage), that I should be taking?  Have 21k health, 294k walls, can tank nm2 well, nm3 gets tougher... nm4, I can hold back small stuff, but not large groups.  P.S. My serenity aura might not be strong enough.

Any help is appreciated.

Understand why some people don't like tankers, some aren't experienced enough and will try to pull and ogre at a wall away.  Then he starts jumping and wrecking havoc on defensive towers.

you kinda want "shield strength sphere" with that you recive less damage while blocking. 21k hp is more then enough for tanking =). You may want to get a pet with a cc skill maybe too, this could help you alot if you have troupe. Like one with attack slow (bear kira) or blizzard (aoe slow huge!).

Serenity is always good, if you have problems tanking, upgrading it will help imensly too, it gives damage reduction.

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You can tank with a wall squire easily and it is a cake walk with a def squire. Back then tank squires where one of the reason how many players arrived and cleared NM4 content at all. They were and still are very strong.

A Tank squire can hold 1-2 lanes and even 3 bosses at the same time in nm4.

So yeah it's not only possible, it is one of the best ways to do nm4 too.

I have a waller squire and he gets taken out really quickly by goblin exploders/drags.  Are there some spheres beside (target me, defenses do % more damage), that I should be taking?  Have 21k health, 294k walls, can tank nm2 well, nm3 gets tougher... nm4, I can hold back small stuff, but not large groups.  P.S. My serenity aura might not be strong enough.

Any help is appreciated.

Understand why some people don't like tankers, some aren't experienced enough and will try to pull and ogre at a wall away.  Then he starts jumping and wrecking havoc on defensive towers.

You want to build armour (both phys and magic) and Hero HP. Passives of harden and nullify for more armour.

Spheres are a bit of personal preference. Good options include increased shield block reduction and increased damage from defenses when squire is targeted. 1 to 1.5k in each resistance and you're good.

Also get a pet with the damage shield ability.

narwagon isnt a bad option for the pet either. Ive seen the shield chunk the ogre if you can survive the ogre butt stomp.

I confess I can't really see how one could solo with a Squire ... Boss are what kill me in NM4. I can't decently tank the hard lane without DPS/repairing the Boss lane too ...

While he is certainly not useless I can't see it as comparing to Huntress Stun and Phoenix.

A good point though is being able to get four builder. Having Serene and Frost is definitely good.

I guess I will test this some more.

Definitely useful in multi, though ^^

Serenity is a big deal for doing it, really =). Tanking of a serenity and getting it buffed up by frosty while you fight can lead to nearly full instant heals + the nice damage reduction. With that it is easily possible to tank. If you still have trouble, upgrade the sere abit for more beef. I do preffer a cc pet of any kind, bear kira is one of the best choice if you want to fight too or a water blizzard pet. The new monthly pet is good too if you just want to absorb damage and dish it out at the same time. One strong point for a tank squire is, if you use frosty you can easily instant kill frozen mobs with your smash, making him not only a survival specialist but very deadly too.

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I confess I can't really see how one could solo with a Squire ... Boss are what kill me in NM4. I can't decently tank the hard lane without DPS/repairing the Boss lane too ...

While he is certainly not useless I can't see it as comparing to Huntress Stun and Phoenix.

A good point though is being able to get four builder. Having Serene and Frost is definitely good.

I guess I will test this some more.

Definitely useful in multi, though ^^

The requirement of a serenity aura really, REALLY sucks :(

@Talis Cat quote:

I confess I can't really see how one could solo with a Squire ... Boss are what kill me in NM4. I can't decently tank the hard lane without DPS/repairing the Boss lane too ...

While he is certainly not useless I can't see it as comparing to Huntress Stun and Phoenix.

A good point though is being able to get four builder. Having Serene and Frost is definitely good.

I guess I will test this some more.

Definitely useful in multi, though ^^

With curse aura and serenity aura i can tank ogres no problem.

The hardest part about soloing with squire or anything that isn't a huntress is the damn AIR.

Air and AA towers are not balanced right. 50 DU gets u nothing pretty much.

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Air and AA towers are not balanced right. 50 DU gets u nothing pretty much.

yep exactly this. AA currently is abit underwhelming. A ballista does a much better job as a AA to be honest.

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It's doable easily. Best method is not by guarding with shield however. You want to swing a couple times to move the mobs back and then run backwards to avoid getting hit. Great way to prevent mobs from gangbanging the walls. Pure wall Squires in pubs are basically leechers tho. Hate em.

Uh you do know we just beat NM4 Incursion all the waves with tier 1 walls just using waller squires right?

Your shield will save your ass and if you want to tank properly you must have it out all the time.

Whats your Tier 1 Walls KnowsnoLimits ;P

Ill disagree about needing your shield out all the time,  but then that depends on your resistances.

@dwadw123 Most people Have PURE wall squires.. Its how plenty of other people get to nm4 would never call them leechers,

How goes the curse, does it help alot?, I usually use my imp as it has the Health 100% health return ability

Curse is a huge help. If i turn it on i can tank a whole lane full of stuff. If it wears out and i'm still tanking ill die pretty fast lol.