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Hey all!

So, the game is in alpha, all the classes got their passive(s), the map and loot was restructured, among many other changes. There were two gear rollbacks, which the Dev Team said on stream that, in hindsight, a wipe may have been the way to go, rather than rolling back gear. It is pretty clear that doing tiny hotfix type changes isn’t working as a whole.

My question to everyone, Trendy included, is why are we not at least getting a chance to vote for a wipe or not? Every time it is brought up, Trendy claims that they don’t want to do a wipe because they don’t want to set people back so they lose their progress. A vote would alleviate that worry.

Now, I’m not asking why you want a wipe or not, that isn’t what this thread is about, because that thread won’t get anywhere because the debate can go on forever. What I’m asking is, why isn’t there at least a vote for it? Trendy has seen many people asking about it, but always go back to their “We don’t want to wipe if we don’t have to,” but after all the game has been through since the last wipe, I think the idea of a vote at least should be considered.

Do you think there should be at least a vote to wipe the game?


Tl;dr- Do you think there should be a VOTE to wipe? Butreally, read the whole thing ;)

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no way in hell i could vote for a level wipe... i just RE leveled 5 toons to max level less than a month ago. If you want to wipe roll a new character and start over, why do you think this would be beneficial?


I do agree that they should have just wiped all gear past 240 rather than fool with all of the "reroll mechanics", wiping hero levels at every milestone patch is ludicrous. 

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I'd have been ok with a gear wipe only. I am highly against any character/pet/sphere wipes at this point. I think the gear wipe would have been best, as then I'd know I have to progress though in the normal fashion. Right now I'm kinda stuck between trying to slowing grind out some better gear at NM1 or go back to Insane and try to completely regear with better stats rolls and passives. Especially since the normal enemies still aren't dropping gear waves 2-end.

From the time I've spent playing, including pre-loot and survive, I've maxed 8 toons, bought 5 Ubers, completed the monthly, leveled many pets, and bought most spheres twice now. I really don't want to level again and rebuy everything a third time. 

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As long as nightmare is merely +health and +damage, no number of gear wipes is going to fix anything. Once they figure out how to make nightmare fun while keeping it challenging, then we should probably get a gear wipe. But until then, it's completely pointless.

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A lot of people are mentioning they'd rather a gear wipe, which was suggested on the Social Tavern today and discussed for a bit. 

What if the question then became about gear. Gear Wipe, yes/no? 

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We can't go for a wipe for every single update neither. Even though I agree a wipe could have been great, fact is I've spent a lot of hours improving my characters to finally start endgame content and if my save is wiped right now I would just think well f*** off I won't play this anymore.

I think way too many people are whining about difficulty and all but are not even trying to use the options they have in hands. Let's see what the next major update brings on the table before asking for a wipe (and therefore asking for a wipe vote). That's my opinion.

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^ I'm sorry did I miss something? My gear got wiped (240-) and I didnt want it to, I wanted to play what I finally reached and built for - end game and NM1+

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The last wipe was bull pucky.  That wipe was to get rid of legacy gear.  If it was to get rid of gear, why wipe character levels too?  They increased the level cap to 50.  What difference would it have made to let people keep their character levels?  So you have six level 25's when the new level cap is 50.  Big deal.  You still have to get your gear back and you still have 25 more levels to go on each character.  The first 25 are much easier to get than the last 25.

If they do a full wipe again, I'm moving on.  

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@SactoDoug quote:

The last wipe was bull pucky.  That wipe was to get rid of legacy gear.  If it was to get rid of gear, why wipe character levels too?  They increased the level cap to 50.  What difference would it have made to let people keep their character levels?  So you have six level 25's when the new level cap is 50.  Big deal.  You still have to get your gear back and you still have 25 more levels to go on each character.  The first 25 are much easier to get than the last 25.

If they do a full wipe again, I'm moving on.  

This was an influence vote, and the wipe was for everyone to feel the joy of an almost whole new game.

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To be fair: Trendy did make it somewhat easier to level to 50.

My vote is for a full item wipe. Leave the levels but wipe items.

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okay well I see a lot of people saying no don't wipe character saves. I don't want to level my toons again.

a friend of mine got 2 toons today to 50 from 1 to 50 on hard freeplay  so now he has all 4 toons at 50. he had no SA no gear over 145ipwr and took a day( when I say day it was about 6 hours). so your point of it taking a month to level 6 toons I say more like a week if that.


sorry one more thing. what makes you think they wont wipe us before the game is released, as f2p? I mean they don't want a bunch of people to have everything at start and there for not have any thing to do. I mean what do you do when the game is release and you have every thing and leveled and geared to the teeth.  

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@Shadkillz quote:


@SactoDoug quote:

The last wipe was bull pucky.  That wipe was to get rid of legacy gear.  If it was to get rid of gear, why wipe character levels too?  They increased the level cap to 50.  What difference would it have made to let people keep their character levels?  So you have six level 25's when the new level cap is 50.  Big deal.  You still have to get your gear back and you still have 25 more levels to go on each character.  The first 25 are much easier to get than the last 25.

If they do a full wipe again, I'm moving on.  

This was an influence vote, and the wipe was for everyone to feel the joy of an almost whole new game.

It is irrelevant to what I posted whether it was an influence vote or not.  Both options wiped character levels.  

I place no value on what other people feel was the reason for the wipe.  Trendy stated it was to get rid of legacy gear.

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There's no point wiping levels or cosmetics.

Wiping at F2P would be dumb, you'd get a whole bunch of ppl afking and cheesing it to 50 which ruins it for new players who are in their games.

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@gigazelle quote:

As long as nightmare is merely +health and +damage, no number of gear wipes is going to fix anything. Once they figure out how to make nightmare fun while keeping it challenging, then we should probably get a gear wipe. But until then, it's completely pointless.

I agree, we are just going to be sitting in the same spot as we were prior to this update. 

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Full gear wipes will hurt inexperienced players, a full wipe wont bother me because I will be back in NM the day after, but the vast majority of players don't have many characters and haven't been out of Insane so a full wipe will really hurt them.


It is why they prefer to re-roll as it wont impact/penalise most of the players who obviously aren't pushing the cheesy build envelope.


Given those who are in NM1+ are in the minority, I will give the same advice I gave to my friend who cheesed on frosty power and stopped playing, delete your gear and start again without cheesing.


If you have felt you have cheated yourself out of fun, you can fix the problem yourselves.

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@Vim quote:

If you have felt you have cheated yourself out of fun, you can fix the problem yourselves.

Sadly alot of truth in this post.

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@drag7399 quote:

okay well I see a lot of people saying no don't wipe character saves. I don't want to level my toons again.

a friend of mine got 2 toons today to 50 from 1 to 50 on hard freeplay  so now he has all 4 toons at 50. he had no SA no gear over 145ipwr and took a day( when I say day it was about 6 hours). so your point of it taking a month to level 6 toons I say more like a week if that.


sorry one more thing. what makes you think they wont wipe us before the game is released, as f2p? I mean they don't want a bunch of people to have everything at start and there for not have any thing to do. I mean what do you do when the game is release and you have every thing and leveled and geared to the teeth.  

Some people are adults with jobs.  We can't play Dungeon Defenders for a week straight...

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@drag7399 quote:

okay well I see a lot of people saying no don't wipe character saves. I don't want to level my toons again.

a friend of mine got 2 toons today to 50 from 1 to 50 on hard freeplay  so now he has all 4 toons at 50. he had no SA no gear over 145ipwr and took a day( when I say day it was about 6 hours). so your point of it taking a month to level 6 toons I say more like a week if that.


sorry one more thing. what makes you think they wont wipe us before the game is released, as f2p? I mean they don't want a bunch of people to have everything at start and there for not have any thing to do. I mean what do you do when the game is release and you have every thing and leveled and geared to the teeth.  

When you have 2 toons at 50 it doesn't take long at all to get more to 50, with 3 you get a minimum of 105% xp boost. It takes like 2 hours to level a character at that point. When you have done it like most of us where the XP spheres didn't even work and no matter how many 50's you had it still took 12 hours or more to level to 50, we get a little upset about releveling characters. The first one takes forever, the second fairly long, then speeds up. Plus its really hard to just level one character at first, especially solo. You usually need at least 2 to build a decent defense early game.

They probably will wipe either at open alpha or full release, regardless of what they have said now, so that everyone starts on equal footing. 

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@Ryukashin quote:


@drag7399 quote:

okay well I see a lot of people saying no don't wipe character saves. I don't want to level my toons again.

a friend of mine got 2 toons today to 50 from 1 to 50 on hard freeplay  so now he has all 4 toons at 50. he had no SA no gear over 145ipwr and took a day( when I say day it was about 6 hours). so your point of it taking a month to level 6 toons I say more like a week if that.


sorry one more thing. what makes you think they wont wipe us before the game is released, as f2p? I mean they don't want a bunch of people to have everything at start and there for not have any thing to do. I mean what do you do when the game is release and you have every thing and leveled and geared to the teeth.  

When you have 2 toons at 50 it doesn't take long at all to get more to 50, with 3 you get a minimum of 105% xp boost. It takes like 2 hours to level a character at that point. When you have done it like most of us where the XP spheres didn't even work and no matter how many 50's you had it still took 12 hours or more to level to 50, we get a little upset about releveling characters. The first one takes forever, the second fairly long, then speeds up. Plus its really hard to just level one character at first, especially solo. You usually need at least 2 to build a decent defense early game.

They probably will wipe either at open alpha or full release, regardless of what they have said now, so that everyone starts on equal footing. 

okay today we tested I bought the game for my wife so no 50s took two hours to get to 50 with token exp boost the 5 daily you get. I played solo used huntress. got both exp sphere as soon as I could wasn't hard so with that. the next one can be done the next day with an exp boost from 1 50 plus daily tokens yeah not to hard to level. a job wouldn't slow you down.:)

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