Sold out when website came back up??

well you should've got it sooner :P the sale went for way too long... a month or something!
Also go check the steam store page about Dungeon Defenders 2 it's there that you'll get some perks. But it's Early Access, which is something permanent until game release, to give the title council to just anybody until the game is officially released makes the council-ship-.. not really anything of value.. so to preserve it's value i believe there shall be a difference between EA and council. 

However this has not been 100% decided by the developers

:P or not, sometimes you just can't drop money for a video game whenever you want. And as someone who has a pretty underwhelming job, I'll always argue against time-limited, purchased exclusives. Or in the case of defense council purchases, quantity-limited (though apparently anyone who paid before the site went down got in). If they must be done, they need a very obvious and fair cut-off. The defense council purchases were up for a pretty good amount of time, but they ended with little warning and, because of the web site outage, quite abruptly. And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

Don't get me wrong though, despite my harsh feedback I'm still looking forward to the game. After all, I was planning to spend seventy dollars on it.

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:P or not, sometimes you just can't drop money for a video game whenever you want. And as someone who has a pretty underwhelming job, I'll always argue against time-limited, purchased exclusives. Or in the case of defense council purchases, quantity-limited (though apparently anyone who paid before the site went down got in). If they must be done, they need a very obvious and fair cut-off. The defense council purchases were up for a pretty good amount of time, but they ended with little warning and, because of the web site outage, quite abruptly. And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

Don't get me wrong though, despite my harsh feedback I'm still looking forward to the game. After all, I was planning to spend seventy dollars on it.

chill hope you didn't get me wrong either :P sorry to hear about that :/ 

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chill hope you didn't get me wrong either :P sorry to hear about that :/ 

Oh, plenty chill, no worries. This is far from the first F2P game I've been around for, but it's the first one that's a sequel to one of my favorite games. I'm already invested in the series so I want it to be all it can be, and for a F2P game a HUGE chunk of "all it can be" revolves around the cash shop and marketing. It's never too early to offer up feedback.

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And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

That's a very cynical way of looking at it, but not entirely untrue.  Imo the latest bunch of council seats were probably made available a little too close to the EA release date.  The council is supposed to be the group of people that are the most invested in the game and that have play tested it for a while already.

I just got back from University too the disappointing site of all the council seats being sold out as well :( . Cant wait till the 5th to play the steam early access though. Hope dungeon defenders 2 is as good if not better than the first one!!

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And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

That's a very cynical way of looking at it, but not entirely untrue.  Imo the latest bunch of council seats were probably made available a little too close to the EA release date.  The council is supposed to be the group of people that are the most invested in the game and that have play tested it for a while already.

I'm not really trying to be cynical, it just kinda happens a little after you've played enough F2P games. I have faith in you guys though. There will always be some missteps (I've been playing Warframe for two years. Trust me, I know all about missteps, lol) but I'm confident that the end result will be an awesome game.

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I'm not really trying to be cynical, it just kinda happens a little after you've played enough F2P games. I have faith in you guys though. There will always be some missteps (I've been playing Warframe for two years. Trust me, I know all about missteps, lol) but I'm confident that the end result will be an awesome game.

The community is around here to help them not make those mistakes :) let's advise them instead of just hate on the idea, if something doesn't sound right or would create an advantage we'll give our feedback to let them know, they've shown before that they're actually listening so.. yeah!

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I'm not really trying to be cynical, it just kinda happens a little after you've played enough F2P games. I have faith in you guys though. There will always be some missteps (I've been playing Warframe for two years. Trust me, I know all about missteps, lol) but I'm confident that the end result will be an awesome game.

The community is around here to help them not make those mistakes :) let's advise them instead of just hate on the idea, if something doesn't sound right or would create an advantage we'll give our feedback to let them know, they've shown before that they're actually listening so.. yeah!

Some ideas are worth hating. I haven't run into any yet, but I'm not gonna sugarcoat my distaste for anything. Honest feedback is the only good kind.

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I'm going to be really disappointed if I miss out on any of the fancy bits and bobs. I spent the time waiting for my paycheck to go through reading up on the co-op pack for my wife and I, and then when the money's in my account the site is down. Here's to hoping the steam version has all the same goodies.

Steam won't have the same goodies... but it will be cheaper! 

Honestly I would rather Trendy allow people that buy the Early Access to be considered a Defense Council. I totally missed out on buying it because it was only until like a day later I found out they were sold out.  Seeing people on the Defense Council in Steam groups make me jealous and I don't like that feeling  >.>

Honestly I would rather Trendy allow people that buy the Early Access to be considered a Defense Council. I totally missed out on buying it because it was only until like a day later I found out they were sold out. Seeing people on the Defense Council in Steam groups make me jealous and I don't like that feeling >.>

Since Steam Early Access is permanent.. there's no way council membership would be for sale permanent as it would lose it's uniqueness. 

What makes you jealous is exactly the reason why it can't go on steam, i'd say we could have the first x to purchase on steam, to get the council member as proof that they're actually into and stood by the store until it came out for sale but... yeah, the reason you want in is because it's unique, but by being a permanent access it would no longer be unique

I, thinking that the councilship would be something very exclusive, stood by the website 3-4 hours refreshing because they were late for the key sale due to some issues. The sale extended for a month (which i didn't know would happen) so thanks to previous warning i could buy it on the first day. To me the sale should have been way smaller and have big warning so people understood that it would be more exclusive...

But yeah that's my opinion, i think being in the council means way too much to be sent out permanently until the game official launch

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I'm going to be really disappointed if I miss out on any of the fancy bits and bobs. I spent the time waiting for my paycheck to go through reading up on the co-op pack for my wife and I, and then when the money's in my account the site is down. Here's to hoping the steam version has all the same goodies.

Steam won't have the same goodies... but it will be cheaper! 

Cheaper?

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Cheaper?

council members had to pay 30$ steam EA pays 25$ and will have a 20% discount on the first week.. yeah cheaper :)

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Cheaper?

council members had to pay 30$ steam EA pays 25$ and will have a 20% discount on the first week.. yeah cheaper :)

well depends how u see on it? :) 

u have to look what u get not just the money.

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well depends how u see on it? :) 

u have to look what u get not just the money.

It is cheaper, the price is lower, you get access to the game for a less amount of money. 

The getting in a council was an exclusive time event, i'm sorry that you guys missed it. But as many requested everybody now can go ahead and test the game, tho make an exclusive event permanent would be back stabbing those who got them 

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But yeah that's my opinion, i think being in the council means way too much to be sent out permanently until the game official launch.

 tho make an exclusive event permanent would be back stabbing those who got them.

This is what I meant when I said you look down on people that want council status. To me it should be a even playing field if people pay $xx.xx amount of money if we can't all have the same title and perks take them away from everyone.  

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I'm going to be really disappointed if I miss out on any of the fancy bits and bobs. I spent the time waiting for my paycheck to go through reading up on the co-op pack for my wife and I, and then when the money's in my account the site is down. Here's to hoping the steam version has all the same goodies.

Steam won't have the same goodies... but it will be cheaper! 

Honestly I would rather Trendy allow people that buy the Early Access to be considered a Defense Council. I totally missed out on buying it because it was only until like a day later I found out they were sold out.  Seeing people on the Defense Council in Steam groups make me jealous and I don't like that feeling  >.>

My Wife and I are in the same boat as you, except the jealousy part, we think anyone that pays for EA should also get Defense Council status and perks, like I said in the other post if we can't be on even playing field then take all the perks away including Defense Council.

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But yeah that's my opinion, i think being in the council means way too much to be sent out permanently until the game official launch.

 tho make an exclusive event permanent would be back stabbing those who got them.

This is what I meant when I said you look down on people that want council status. To me it should be a even playing field if people pay $xx.xx amount of money if we can't all have the same title and perks take them away from everyone.  

your taking a part of my comment and misunderstanding it, the key word is permanently, The council gets to interact with trendy easily because they payed attention to all their news and saw the events, grabbed the chance and got it.

Trendy listen to everyone, they read all the comments, if you were actually paying attention you'd notice that even on DD1 the community feedback played a huge part on their development.

As for now, it's not exclusive to the Council members to be listened, basically what you want is pay to be heard by trendy, when you don't really need to do that to be heard.

Council Seats come from events, if you wanted to get into the council you were checking their progress on the game upclose and noticed everything. 

You just happen to find that out too late, now instead of trying to get everybody a council statuses which would make absolutely no difference and take the meaning away from being council 'cause everybody would have it, try having trendy to make more events to those who want to get in the council.

If you researched you could see that many times i suggested, the first x buyers of steam to get the council stats for reward to their devotion and speed into getting, so those who wanted the council stats actually, would get it too. Just like another event, so instead of trying to get your way done by putting people down or trying to make false assumptions on things, you should find a way that would work better.

What's the meaning in having a game council if everyone who plays the game is the council, then simply take the council tittle of those who hardworked until now.

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But yeah that's my opinion, i think being in the council means way too much to be sent out permanently until the game official launch.

 tho make an exclusive event permanent would be back stabbing those who got them.

This is what I meant when I said you look down on people that want council status. To me it should be a even playing field if people pay $xx.xx amount of money if we can't all have the same title and perks take them away from everyone.  

your taking a part of my comment and misunderstanding it, the key word is permanently, The council gets to interact with trendy easily because they payed attention to all their news and saw the events, grabbed the chance and got it.

Trendy listen to everyone, they read all the comments, if you were actually paying attention you'd notice that even on DD1 the community feedback played a huge part on their development.

As for now, it's not exclusive to the Council members to be listened, basically what you want is pay to be heard by trendy, when you don't really need to do that to be heard.

Council Seats come from events, if you wanted to get into the council you were checking their progress on the game upclose and noticed everything. 

You just happen to find that out too late, now instead of trying to get everybody a council statuses which would make absolutely no difference and take the meaning away from being council 'cause everybody would have it, try having trendy to make more events to those who want to get in the council.

If you researched you could see that many times i suggested, the first x buyers of steam to get the council stats for reward to their devotion and speed into getting, so those who wanted the council stats actually, would get it too. Just like another event, so instead of trying to get your way done by putting people down or trying to make false assumptions on things, you should find a way that would work better.

What's the meaning in having a game council if everyone who plays the game is the council, then simply take the council tittle of those who hardworked until now.

I see what you mean. But here's the problem: when people get Early Access, where is the Early Access' special group? I want to be known as helping the community out as well, not just some EA tester. Like I said, seeing people in the Defense Council steam Group kind of makes it feel like the other thousands of people are left out. The Defense Council more than likely will have their feedback more listened to rather than EA players. It's not a matter of having a shiny "Defense Council" title, it's a matter of other fans feeling left out because they couldn't happen to get their wallet out fast enough to pay the $30 when they had the chance. The Defense Council seems like it's (or will be) a close-knit group that other people will look at as being "superior" to others, just because they get that status. I am plenty sure there will be future free-to-play players that have amazing ideas for the game and have more motivation than anyone on the Council team, but they probably won't be heard because they didn't happen to pay that $30 or $70 when the game was being first developed.

You can try to tell me that Trendy listens to everyone, but the truth of the matter is, anyone with a higher ranking will be be the first to get heard.

Trendy needs to pick out those people that are most involved in the community and give them the "Defense Council" title, not just let anyone have the title that happened to pay the money for the perks when the time was right.

TLDR; Defense Council status should be earned and not something you should have been able to buy.

This isn't a rant for anyone thinking it is, it's just me stating my opinion.

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I see what you mean. But here's the problem: when people get Early Access, where is the Early Access's special group? I want to be known as helping the community out as well, not just some EA tester. Like I said, seeing people in the Defense Council steam Group kind of makes it feel like the other thousands of people are left out. The Defense Council more than likely will have their feedback more listened to rather than EA players. It's not a matter of having a shiny "Defense Council" title, it's a matter of other fans feeling left out because they couldn't happen to get their wallet out fast enough to pay the $30 when they had the chance. The Defense Council seems like it's (or will be) a close-knit group that other people will look at as being "superior" to others, just because they get that status. I am plenty sure there will be future free-to-play players that have amazing ideas for the game and have more motivation than anyone on the Council team, but they probably won't be heard because they didn't happen to pay that $30 or $70 when the game was being first developed.

You can try to tell me that Trendy listens to everyone, but the truth of the matter is, anyone with a higher ranking will be be the first to get heard.

Trendy needs to pick out those people that are most involved in the community and give them the "Defense Council" title, not just let anyone have the title that happened to pay the money for the perks when the time was right.

TLDR; Defense Council status should be earned and not something you should have been able to buy.

This isn't a rant for anyone thinking it is, it's just me stating my opinion.

Absolutely agree that it should be earned, btw some people actually earned the council seat, however the sale was a major event to where people could get. It was asked by the community to do a special event, we can't simply ask for a permanent event? it would not be an event anymore... 

Early Access is a special group, they're the only ones that can play the game besides the council members, but they joined later.

I believe that if you are involved enough with the community you might even get to be in the council there's nowhere saying that it won't happen.

Also don't judge Trendy that way, they will listen to where the big feedback is, the council is exclusive and has a more limited side, however by that very same reason there isn't that much feedback over each suggestion and discussion. SO where actually is the majority? if Early Access can get a great suggestion or, rise a nice discussion it will surely be taken by the devs, so EA has it's own stuff going on, so if the Early Access will prove to be active enough, Councillors might even give up on posting in their forums to post on the open forums.

The Devs will listen in the whole forum trust me. 

It's just that it would be back stab to sell something that is event exclusive and then turn into something permanent that everybody can win. 
It was not a simple sale, it was an event sale, if apple starts making a sale buy an ipad and get an ipod1 which is not crafted anymore, after the sale is over will you complain that buying an ipad will no longer give you an ipod?

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I see what you mean. But here's the problem: when people get Early Access, where is the Early Access's special group? I want to be known as helping the community out as well, not just some EA tester. Like I said, seeing people in the Defense Council steam Group kind of makes it feel like the other thousands of people are left out. The Defense Council more than likely will have their feedback more listened to rather than EA players. It's not a matter of having a shiny "Defense Council" title, it's a matter of other fans feeling left out because they couldn't happen to get their wallet out fast enough to pay the $30 when they had the chance. The Defense Council seems like it's (or will be) a close-knit group that other people will look at as being "superior" to others, just because they get that status. I am plenty sure there will be future free-to-play players that have amazing ideas for the game and have more motivation than anyone on the Council team, but they probably won't be heard because they didn't happen to pay that $30 or $70 when the game was being first developed.

You can try to tell me that Trendy listens to everyone, but the truth of the matter is, anyone with a higher ranking will be be the first to get heard.

Trendy needs to pick out those people that are most involved in the community and give them the "Defense Council" title, not just let anyone have the title that happened to pay the money for the perks when the time was right.

TLDR; Defense Council status should be earned and not something you should have been able to buy.

This isn't a rant for anyone thinking it is, it's just me stating my opinion.

Absolutely agree that it should be earned, btw some people actually earned the council seat, however the sale was a major event to where people could get. It was asked by the community to do a special event, we can't simply ask for a permanent event? it would not be an event anymore... 

Early Access is a special group, they're the only ones that can play the game besides the council members, but they joined later.

I believe that if you are involved enough with the community you might even get to be in the council there's nowhere saying that it won't happen.

Also don't judge Trendy that way, they will listen to where the big feedback is, the council is exclusive and has a more limited side, however by that very same reason there isn't that much feedback over each suggestion and discussion. SO where actually is the majority? if Early Access can get a great suggestion or, rise a nice discussion it will surely be taken by the devs, so EA has it's own stuff going on, so if the Early Access will prove to be active enough, Councillors might even give up on posting in their forums to post on the open forums.

The Devs will listen in the whole forum trust me. 

It's just that it would be back stab to sell something that is event exclusive and then turn into something permanent that everybody can win. 
It was not a simple sale, it was an event sale, if apple starts making a sale buy an ipad and get an ipod1 which is not crafted anymore, after the sale is over will you complain that buying an ipad will no longer give you an ipod?

But wasn't one of the Defense Council perks specifically to be able to get direct access to Trendy to help shape the game's direction? It shouldn't take a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention.

How do you know for a fact that 100% of the people in the Defense Council even care about the game? They could have just bought the Defense Council status just to play the game early than intended. Or even perhaps just bought the status so they can get the perks.

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But wasn't one of the Defense Council perks specifically to be able to get direct access to Trendy to help shape the game's direction? It shouldn't take a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention.

How do you know for a fact that 100% of the people in the Defense Council even care about the game? They could have just bought the Defense Council status just to play the game early than intended. Or even perhaps just bought the status so they can get the perks.

The Defense Councilors that care about the games are the ones who are actively trying to improve it.  Also the implication that it takes a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention is fallacy.  They have repeatedly mentioned that they read through all suggestions.  The way things are being said here sound like people think that Trendy is at the whimsy of the Defense Counselors, which just isn't true.  I could make a suggestion right now saying "I want my huntress to make a fart noise every time she fires her bow".  It would never happen.  Hell, even if that were a serious suggestion and it got plenty of upvotes, Trendy still wouldn't implement it (I hope...).  They LISTEN to everything, but it's still their game.  Yes, Defense Counselors have been actively participating in the development in DD2.  No, that does not make them more important.  The fact that they're opening Early Access for other people to contribute is in itself its own proof of that.  If Trendy didn't care about what you have to say, they wouldn't be opening the gates.

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But wasn't one of the Defense Council perks specifically to be able to get direct access to Trendy to help shape the game's direction? It shouldn't take a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention.

How do you know for a fact that 100% of the people in the Defense Council even care about the game? They could have just bought the Defense Council status just to play the game early than intended. Or even perhaps just bought the status so they can get the perks.

The Defense Councilors that care about the games are the ones who are actively trying to improve it.  Also the implication that it takes a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention is fallacy.  They have repeatedly mentioned that they read through all suggestions.  The way things are being said here sound like people think that Trendy is at the whimsy of the Defense Counselors, which just isn't true.  I could make a suggestion right now saying "I want my huntress to make a fart noise every time she fires her bow".  It would never happen.  Hell, even if that were a serious suggestion and it got plenty of upvotes, Trendy still wouldn't implement it (I hope...).  They LISTEN to everything, but it's still their game.  Yes, Defense Counselors have been actively participating in the development in DD2.  No, that does not make them more important.  The fact that they're opening Early Access for other people to contribute is in itself its own proof of that.  If Trendy didn't care about what you have to say, they wouldn't be opening the gates.

" Yes, Defense Counselors have been actively participating in the development in DD2. No, that does not make them more important. The fact that they're opening Early Access for other people to contribute is in itself its own proof of that. If Trendy didn't care about what you have to say, they wouldn't be opening the gates."

https://www.dungeondefenders.com/2/topic/114750/defense-council-status

Actively participating, huh?

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Actively participating, huh?

Yes, actively participating.  There are plenty of ways to contribute to the development of DD2 outside of sitting in the game grinding gear

First off, I think this discussion has started to get a little heated. I think it would be wise to be aware that no one from Trendy has replied to this since the very first page, therefore any information (or misinformation) thrown about is unconfirmed. It will ultimately be revealed tomorrow, though Trendy can still change and may change, as to what the differences and/or benefits are.

I've actually been away from Dungeon Defenders 2 for awhile (life takes its toll =D). I missed out on whatever the recent Council Pack as well as telling my friends about it. So I am saying this from the point of view as part of the original Defense Council.

Now to give my opinion on a few things I've seen others post:

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And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

 There is value that needs to be preserved in being part of the Defense Council. Many members of the Defense Council have spent a lot of time testing, arguing, discussing, and theorycrafting all parts of DD2 for months. Many members have been doing this for over a year. Without the involvement of the original Defense Council, the game could be in a completely different state than what it currently is. That is value that should be rewarded, if Trendy chooses to do so. Of course there are going to be some that did not put in as much, myself included, at times or even got in at the tail end. Even so, that should not take away from the people who have been dedicated to helping Trendy make this game better. I also want to mention that DD2 has been played way more than it shows on Steam. It has been on Steam only a fraction of the time it has actually been available for playtesting.

On this same note, and I can't speak for Trendy, I still see the possibility of those being active and engaged in the Steam Early Access being granted Defense Council status.

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This is what I meant when I said you look down on people that want council status. To me it should be a even playing field if people pay $xx.xx amount of money if we can't all have the same title and perks take them away from everyone.  

That is the biggest negative about the Defense Council, I agree. We are all players. Some were fortunate enough to be have been presented with a chance to be in the Defense Council (for different reasons) and some are unfortunate that they missed it. Trendy is not trying to give anyone a bad experience. They are trying to reward those who have been involved for awhile and/or took the first step. Any person on the Defense Council who thinks they are special because they are in it is ultimately just trying to make you mad and feel that there is a difference. In the end, none of it affects gameplay. So even if I think I'm some high and mighty part of the Defense Council and my word is law...it doesn't matter at all when it comes to playing the game. Remember that.

Xalavis

But wasn't one of the Defense Council perks specifically to be able to get direct access to Trendy to help shape the game's direction? It shouldn't take a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention.

How do you know for a fact that 100% of the people in the Defense Council even care about the game? They could have just bought the Defense Council status just to play the game early than intended. Or even perhaps just bought the status so they can get the perks.

I can say, from plenty of experience, that it is a whole lot easier to work with 5 than it is 50. That is the point of the Defense Council. I can also say, it is not difficult to reach Trendy. They have plenty of people who want to engage with their players. I've sent tweets to Isom before and I don't think there is one he hasn't responded to. Trendy is open to communication, but there needs to be a way for them to focus it down.

I do believe the Defense Council does have an "easier" (and I use that term loosely) way to communicate with Trendy, it is just as divided as those not in the Council. On that same thought process, there are enough players in the Defense Council in which you could find someone who shares your opinion if you really believe your voice isn't being heard. Though, I believe Trendy will not be ignoring Early Access players by any means.

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First off, I think this discussion has started to get a little heated. I think it would be wise to be aware that no one from Trendy has replied to this since the very first page, therefore any information (or misinformation) thrown about is unconfirmed. It will ultimately be revealed tomorrow, though Trendy can still change and may change, as to what the differences and/or benefits are.

I've actually been away from Dungeon Defenders 2 for awhile (life takes its toll =D). I missed out on whatever the recent Council Pack as well as telling my friends about it. So I am saying this from the point of view as part of the original Defense Council.

Now to give my opinion on a few things I've seen others post:

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And so far as "preserving the value of councilship" goes, I'm not sure "I had money before other people" is a value worth preserving.

 There is value that needs to be preserved in being part of the Defense Council. Many members of the Defense Council have spent a lot of time testing, arguing, discussing, and theorycrafting all parts of DD2 for months. Many members have been doing this for over a year. Without the involvement of the original Defense Council, the game could be in a completely different state than what it currently is. That is value that should be rewarded, if Trendy chooses to do so. Of course there are going to be some that did not put in as much, myself included, at times or even got in at the tail end. Even so, that should not take away from the people who have been dedicated to helping Trendy make this game better. I also want to mention that DD2 has been played way more than it shows on Steam. It has been on Steam only a fraction of the time it has actually been available for playtesting.

On this same note, and I can't speak for Trendy, I still see the possibility of those being active and engaged in the Steam Early Access being granted Defense Council status.

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This is what I meant when I said you look down on people that want council status. To me it should be a even playing field if people pay $xx.xx amount of money if we can't all have the same title and perks take them away from everyone.  

That is the biggest negative about the Defense Council, I agree. We are all players. Some were fortunate enough to be have been presented with a chance to be in the Defense Council (for different reasons) and some are unfortunate that they missed it. Trendy is not trying to give anyone a bad experience. They are trying to reward those who have been involved for awhile and/or took the first step. Any person on the Defense Council who thinks they are special because they are in it is ultimately just trying to make you mad and feel that there is a difference. In the end, none of it affects gameplay. So even if I think I'm some high and mighty part of the Defense Council and my word is law...it doesn't matter at all when it comes to playing the game. Remember that.

Xalavis

But wasn't one of the Defense Council perks specifically to be able to get direct access to Trendy to help shape the game's direction? It shouldn't take a huge discussion on the Steam board to get the Dev's attention.

How do you know for a fact that 100% of the people in the Defense Council even care about the game? They could have just bought the Defense Council status just to play the game early than intended. Or even perhaps just bought the status so they can get the perks.

I can say, from plenty of experience, that it is a whole lot easier to work with 5 than it is 50. That is the point of the Defense Council. I can also say, it is not difficult to reach Trendy. They have plenty of people who want to engage with their players. I've sent tweets to Isom before and I don't think there is one he hasn't responded to. Trendy is open to communication, but there needs to be a way for them to focus it down.

I do believe the Defense Council does have an "easier" (and I use that term loosely) way to communicate with Trendy, it is just as divided as those not in the Council. On that same thought process, there are enough players in the Defense Council in which you could find someone who shares your opinion if you really believe your voice isn't being heard. Though, I believe Trendy will not be ignoring Early Access players by any means.

the knowledge of the sale of the defense council access was stated to my knowledge atleast 6 months in advanced and the sale itself lasted roughly a month before slots ran out thats 7 months to have saved up the money while it may not be fair you dont get what we have the information was posted in alot of places and the only true difference between a defense council player and early access through ea/steam is the goodies recieved so it wasnt really a first come first serve thing in terms of it having sold out overnight and can we stop arguing about whats fair and whats not the early access is out just play to game and try to help improve it ^^ im sorry that some people waited to long and didnt get in but arguing in the forums wont help us with developing this game into something beautiful that will fullfill the legacy left by DD1 and give us a lasting and enjoyable game to play :D