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Alpha & Beyond - Nightmare Improvements, Pioneer Rewards, & Rollback

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Greetings Defenders,


As we teased a few Devstreams ago, some big changes to Nightmare are coming with the Alpha & Beyond patch. These changes are meant to make Nightmare something both fun and challenging. They will begin a process of making a much larger swatch of Nightmare meaningful, not just Liferoot NM 4.


Nightmare Improvements

Here are some of the changes that will be included in the patch:

  • Free Play & Nightmare maps will be re-organized into 3 blocks. Each block represents a different map difficulty and will award progressively better loot and XP. Map order here is very different from Campaign. For example, Forest Crossroads is in the first block of maps and Liferoot Forest is in the second.

  • Nightmare maps have been rebalanced for solo play. We have reduced the number of threat lanes for solo players on more complicated maps compared to the live version of the game. We have also increased the reduction in enemy level for less than 4 players.

  • Loot will drop from all enemies after Wave 1. On the first wave, loot will only drop from Special Enemies.

  • Nightmare 1-3 will be different than Nightmare 4.Our current goal is that players will be theorycrafting and creating strong builds while playing 1-3 in order to take on the challenge that is Nightmare 4.


Nightmare Rollback

When these changes roll out, there will also be a rollback for Nightmare gear. All gear with iPWR 241+ will be rerolled to iPWR 240. This gear will be the same type (bows will still be bows), but the stats and the passives on the gear will be rerolled and may be different from what you had. Once the patch is live, you’ll be able to take all your gear and start your assault on the new Nightmare modes. We can’t wait to hear your feedback on our latest Nightmare changes!


Nightmare Pioneer Rewards

As a reward for venturing into the depths of Nightmare early, any player who has at least one piece of gear with iPWR 241 or greater before Alpha & Beyond releases* will receive these 4 exclusive accessory variants:

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Good luck, Defenders! We look forward to hearing your thoughts on these Nightmare changes this September.


*We will be providing an exact cutoff date and time for these rewards in the future.

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I don't know if I should be mad or happy. Had you gave us this before all the passive on blockade, frost, phoenix, it would have been alright, but having to actually re grind those gear and passive again when there hasn't been any improvement into getting it makes me feel depressed.  It even makes the upcoming weekend event a little pointless to me now.

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I don't know if I should be mad or happy. Had you gave us this before all the passive on blockade, frost, phoenix, it would have been alright, but having to actually re grind those gear and passive again when there hasn't been any improvement into getting it makes me feel depressed.  It even makes the upcoming weekend event a little pointless to me now.

That's a little dramatic, don't you think? They've only just introduced the new passives. It's not like you've been grinding for months. 

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Wow, expect us to grind, then nerf the gear we earned.

That is bad enough, but to reroll the passives that I hunted and searched for?  That is an insult.

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@hvt45 quote:

I don't know if I should be mad or happy. Had you gave us this before all the passive on blockade, frost, phoenix, it would have been alright, but having to actually re grind those gear and passive again when there hasn't been any improvement into getting it makes me feel depressed.  It even makes the upcoming weekend event a little pointless to me now.

Is it dramatic? I didn't intend it to be. I just hope Trendy make it so character that being use get that character passive on gear drop.

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As i quickly go through the five stages of grief, and come to terms that i will be losing my 8.6k dps on my LSA's, i have to ask, if anything will be done about all the gold we've put into leveling our items. going to the lower side of how much i think I've put into leveling items it could be close to one million gold as it is so expensive past level 24. Seeing as this is happening and these weapons will quickly become useless, it was a wasted investment. 

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As i quickly go through the five stages of grief, and come to terms that i will be losing my 8.6k dps on my LSA's, i have to ask, if anything will be done about all the gold we've put into leveling our items. going to the lower side of how much i think I've put into leveling items it could be close to one million gold as it is so expensive past level 24. Seeing as this is happening and these weapons will quickly become useless, it was a wasted investment. 

It's understandable, but I don't expect a refund on gold. We aren't being stripped of our gear, afterall, it's just going to be re-set to NM1 levels. 

I'm okay with it, as I hope this brings interesting changes to NM.

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Looking forward that patch. As I've already cried in 30 different threads, the solo difficulty is a bit too punishing atm but the main issue is really only getting loot from 6 enemies on a single map that takes nearly half an hour to complete. Ain't nobody got time for that lol

Seriously thou, I've put plenty of time into this patch, and I've just barely started on NM1, while that can be taken as a good thing, it mostly feels like a very slow grind that isn't that only has some spikes of rewards when the RNG Gods shiny bright. That would be awesome, if gear was dropping on every wave.

ANYWAY, Diablo Season 4 this weekend and then Metal Gear coming  the week after so I've got plenty to play while waiting for this Alpha Patch.

PS: Do keep showcasing new item builds on Dev Streams because that really is the way for an awesome and successful endgame.

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I feel it is kind of a slap in the face, they make these weekends to grind gear specifically for a character so you grind for days to get the best that you can and after all that they tell you that they are taking them away from you now.  I just spent 4 full days grinding to get a frosty staff with the stats I wanted and now it was all for nothing.  I just feel they need to plan these things better as to not piss off their customers.

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I feel it is kind of a slap in the face, they make these weekends to grind gear specifically for a character so you grind for days to get the best that you can and after all that they tell you that they are taking them away from you now.  I just spent 4 full days grinding to get a frosty staff with the stats I wanted and now it was all for nothing.  I just feel they need to plan these things better as to not piss off their customers.

After the weekend events, the Hero Focus gear is still in the game. It's only introduced that weekend at a higher drop rate. In the future, as we get more items like these in, we will disperse them throughout different parts of the game so you can target and farm what you want!

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I mean.. atleast our characters aren't being rolled back. This change has upsides and downsides to it. Definitely dig the swag Pioneer Rewards. Hopefully this update well come sooner rather then later seeing as the longer you guys wait to do this the more our farming becomes irrelevant. 

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Content first - Balance later! 



You realise this is balancing nm1-4 and solo right, it doesn't actually add content right?

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Why can't we keep our gear exactly as it is but have the ipwr and stats reduced? This could seriously screw a lot of people by getting bad rolls and being unlucky with RNG. For all the hours we have put into RNGesus getting gear with stats we want, would it really hurt you guys to leave the stats as they are? So my waller with all of his hearty blockades will get screwed and so will the apprentice with the frosty power, and anyone else I get special passives for. With this announcement I now don't plan on playing more than my dailies since the gear drops are worthless until patch. Please reconsider at at least keep the passives and types of stats the same (DHP is still DHP, HP is HP, DP is DP, etc.)

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This is precisely what I expected to happen based off of the events of DDE. I could not be happier with this downscale decision. 

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Can we clarify when to expect this to happen? If I interpret this correctly, there is no need for us currently farming nm4 to log into the game until this patch arrives, since we lose everything. I'd just like some clarification on that point.

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So many complaints:D It is hilarious :D

I am happy about these changes. They sound good! They sound promising! nice.
All i wish for now is that the changes would work as intended >:) 
Oh man, i cannot wait for the patch day. 

I have invested a ton of gold into upgrading my stuff. I am ready. I don't mind.
I have invested a lot of time into farming all the matching gear pieces. I am ready. I don't mind.
I have invested a lot of effort into making my way  through all the Nightmares. With a party, but all of us started in Hard / Incursion. The way was not easy nevertheless. We did not leech. We fought. I am ready. I don't mind.

All these new passives kind of go to waste, but!
Content first - Balance later! 

Now these are the changes i was longing to see!
Good Job, Trendy.

Aye. The content bit was about unfinished passive rush. They haven't finished releasing passives yet and they are hitting us with a rollback, which means nothing in the grand scheme. 

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really rerolling all my gear. lowering the stats is understandable. Putting my gear that i spent time getting BACK INTO THE HANDS OF RNG,  is quite frankly bull***.  

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>All gear with iPWR 241+ will be rerolled to iPWR 240. 

Absolutely horse***. First the bull*** wipe, now this, losing all incentive to play at all.

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After doing some reading, it sounds as if they're planning to make maps throughout the game actually relevant again, based on what it is you want to farm; like in DD1.


If that's the case, I've been wanting that for a long time, and if that's your ultimate goal, reroll until your fingers go numb.


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I have no qualms with lowering the stat values on the gear I have to bring it in line with Ilevel 241, but my characters will be next to worthless after the "RNG" reroll of all stats on the gear. 


This is telling me I should go farm NM1/insane and just faceroll it for a stockpile of worthless(now)gear hoping I get something useful post RNG reroll.

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Will gear tier be rerolled as well? For example, if I have a bag full of iPWR 300 legendaries, will they be rerolled into iPWR 240 legendaries, or will they all be rerolled into varying powerful, epic, mythical and legendary gear?

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Just a quick question: does that mean that all 240 and less iPWR won't get a reroll? If so, shouldn't we just farm iPWR 240 legendary gears with good passives and stats now to escape the gear rerolling?

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