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Influence Vote: Partial Wipe vs. Full Wipe

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Greetings, Defenders!

Welcome back to Influence, where you help us make decisions about Dungeon Defenders II!

Our next patch, Loot & Survive, is coming soon™. It contains pretty much everything you could want while defending Etheria -- a new leveling/progression curve, level cap increase to 50, rewards & Skill Sphere choices as you level up, a completely new loot/stat system, Onslaught Mode, Nightmare mode, an economy balance to make gold more meaningful, and oh so much more.

Because of the scope of these changes, we must wipe some of the profile data for the game. This data will simply not exist anymore after the update. However, we’ve received feedback from many of you that a full wipe (reset) would be preferred to a partial wipe. So, we’d like to put this decision up to you -- the players most invested in Dungeon Defenders II.

For the full details of the upcoming wipe and to make your voice heard, head to the Influence voting page!

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Im disagree for doing a full wipe. If developer wanna create fair situation for every players,just wipe all the Item and pets enough,not need wipe hero character,xp,gold,challenge and tokens earn.If you do fullwipe now as Alpha version,could anyone tell me before DD2 official launch,how many times fullwipe will do?What is the point we spent time and play during the alpha version?We as players,play this game alpha version not free,we pay and purchase it,and spent a lot of time to get the hero XP,tokens,gold and others.


Developer of DD2,who could gurantee that is no more fullwipe action before DD2 official launch?If this time full wipe the game,and future still have chance to fullwipe again,what is the point for players to play this game currently?

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Well who knew the monk was one of them ... Traitor!

But really, to the influence voting! Meow~ 

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I do hope all the people who keep repeating the "it's alpha" mantra will be posting plenty of disappointment if/when a patch/update is released that has a game breaking bug once the game is fully released. Like if I don't see at least 10 threads of 150 posts a piece demanding someone's head on a pike then you'll just look like fanboys.

after all if they can do no wrong due to the game being in alpha stage then once it's fully released they should have their *** together and not make a single mistake right?

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My only issue is with tokens.  I have no problem with people keeping tokens, people who have tokens spent time playing so any advantage they have..is earned.   Having ubers early is the only gameplay advantage tokens could give and I don't mind that.. if someone has spent a ton of hours working to get an uber then they should start with an uber after the wipe.  The game is not a race, its not pvp, a few people having a head start won't hurt anyone, so I'd rather people just keep what they spent time to get.  

I'm happy that this is finally happening,  it sounds like Trendy is fixing a lot of issues gameplay-wise and I'm glad to see new content coming in.   I just want Trendy to do whatever it takes to get the gameplay and items balanced. 

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@King Xaldin quote:

This absolutely suck.. I worked hard of my characters and it took forever to actually level them up.. Plus now I'm gonna loss the best weapon I have even gotten and I will never get it again....

I FEAST ON YOUR TEARS 

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  • Loot with Stats (i.e. Armor, Weapons, and Relics)
  • Gold
  • Heroes, XP, and Levels
  • Pets
  • Challenges
  • Skill Spheres

You guys call this a partial wipe you gotta be kidding anyone who spends his points on this poll i feel sorry for ya guys I mean besides partial and non partial there is basically no diffrence

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I have 164 influence points and have played this game since its release.  I hope that you will strongly consider what I have to say about this matter.  A full wipe is tantamount to a punitive action against those who paid for the game and invested time building their characters.  I, and I am sure many others in my situation, will consider a full wipe a slap in the face.  We are being punished for investing time and offering meaningful insight into the development of the game; whereas, those who are new to the game want everyone brought down to their level rather than working like we did to get where we are.  I am fairly confident in assuming that the majority of the players who want a full wipe are not those who have invested a major amount of time in the game, but those who have invested a minimal amount of time.  A player becomes proficient in this game not by skill, rather by amount of time farming.  I can have all the skill in the world, but if a player has stronger gear, their gear will trump my skill any day of the week.  If there is a new leveling system, then most of the gear we acquired at level 25 would be meaningless at say level 35.  For example, if I were at level 25, would I keep armor from level 12 which is considerably weaker?


By the looks of things, my opinion is meaningless as a full wipe seems to be winning.  While I understand and appreciate your willingness to consider the "will of the people", please consider that history shows this not the best option.  For example, if a teacher asked his or her students if they wanted a free day or to learn a particular concept accompanied with a homework assignment, then put it to a vote and let the students decide, we all know what the result of the teacher's query would be.  My point is this should not be a voting an option.  This is a time when you, the game developers, need to make an executive decision and do what's best not what a group of people with limited information have to say about the game.


I thoroughly enjoyed DDI and was excited about the release of DDII and hope that, regardless of the voting results,  you will come to the following conclusion: A full wipe is not the best option and is not the best way to repay those who have helped financially back your game.  A full wipe would be demoralizing to your more experienced players and I would assume frustrate them and cause them to quit the game entirely.  Yes, I understand that we are probably in the minority and there will be countless others to take our place.  Yes I know it was a pre-alfa and this was a distinct possibility.  I get all of that.  I a merely stating that a full wipe is not a logical thing to do and reset everyone-especially those who have invested time in the game.  And no offense, but a special skin to show I wasted time and money building a character to only have it completely reset isn't necessarily a badge of honor, nor something which others would covet.  

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Im disagree for doing a full wipe. If developer wanna create fair situation for every players,just wipe all the Item and pets enough,not need wipe hero character,xp,gold,challenge and tokens earn.If you do fullwipe now as Alpha version,could anyone tell me before DD2 official launch,how many times fullwipe will do?What is the point we spent time and play during the alpha version?We as players,play this game alpha version not free,we pay and purchase it,and spent a lot of time to get the hero XP,tokens,gold and others.


Developer of DD2,who could gurantee that is no more fullwipe action before DD2 official launch?If this time full wipe the game,and future still have chance to fullwipe again,what is the point for players to play this game currently?

"What is the point we spent time and play during the alpha version?"

This is to help build and develop the game. Assist with getting the balance right. It is not a "head start" for you to get to max level before release. I think you misunderstand the point of pre alpha, alpha and beta testing.

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I never write on the forums but I thought I'd share my thoughts:) I've been playing since the early days of DD1 and absolutely love the game. This is the first time playing a game in alpha so I don't know much when it comes to wipes and such.  With all the new content that is to be added I think Trendy is moving in the right direction. And whether it is a full or partial wipe doesn't really matter(to me). So far after the last two big patches I started from scratch anyways, deleting all my items and characters and starting fresh. I understand many players have invested a lot of their time into the game, and I can see why a lot are upset that there will be a wipe. But it is because of all the players who have given Trendy feedback and suggestions which has prompted this wipe(plus other things). Im all for full wipe. Here's hoping DD2 will get better and better!!!

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I'm all five for a full wipe.

I would be. Except. i put a lot of effort into collecting all those Betsy tokens. I do believe i, as well as ANY OTHER PLAYER, whoever and however many tokens they collected up to this day, should keep their earned tokens just as well as their prem currency. Be it a full wipe or partial.

So i am puzzled and not sure if i want to participate in this vote, my only concern being tokens. I actually wanted a wipe for some time now and it's finally coming. I sincerely hope you can save people's token progress untouched. I am about to log into the game, but the idea of losing my hard earned tokens keeps me from pressing the "play" button =)

Cheers,
Seph.

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@rastakin quote:

I never write on the forums but I thought I'd share my thoughts:) I've been playing since the early days of DD1 and absolutely love the game. This is the first time playing a game in alpha so I don't know much when it comes to wipes and such.  With all the new content that is to be added I think Trendy is moving in the right direction. And whether it is a full or partial wipe doesn't really matter(to me). So far after the last two big patches I started from scratch anyways, deleting all my items and characters and starting fresh. I understand many players have invested a lot of their time into the game, and I can see why a lot are upset that there will be a wipe. But it is because of all the players who have given Trendy feedback and suggestions which has prompted this wipe(plus other things). Im all for full wipe. Here's hoping DD2 will get better and better!!!

How come you never write on the forums if you have 509 posts already ? :D


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I don't really care either way as the difference between full and partial is very small. I am sad though that the rewards are only to players who have reached 25 on 1 or 4 heroes and wish it was just given across the board. I'm 24 on 1 and 23 on the other 3. :(

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I don't really care either way as the difference between full and partial is very small. I am sad though that the rewards are only to players who have reached 25 on 1 or 4 heroes and wish it was just given across the board. I'm 24 on 1 and 23 on the other 3. :(

You're so close, I'm sure you can make it 25 with everyone relatively quickly before the 26th!

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@rastakin quote:

I never write on the forums but I thought I'd share my thoughts:) I've been playing since the early days of DD1 and absolutely love the game. This is the first time playing a game in alpha so I don't know much when it comes to wipes and such.  With all the new content that is to be added I think Trendy is moving in the right direction. And whether it is a full or partial wipe doesn't really matter(to me). So far after the last two big patches I started from scratch anyways, deleting all my items and characters and starting fresh. I understand many players have invested a lot of their time into the game, and I can see why a lot are upset that there will be a wipe. But it is because of all the players who have given Trendy feedback and suggestions which has prompted this wipe(plus other things). Im all for full wipe. Here's hoping DD2 will get better and better!!!

Thanks, we hope so too! Everything won't be perfect after the patch, but we think it will be a large step in the right direction. We're excited to look at your feedback after this step and start to tweak and adjust all the new systems :).

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@nitebane21 quote:

I don't really care either way as the difference between full and partial is very small. I am sad though that the rewards are only to players who have reached 25 on 1 or 4 heroes and wish it was just given across the board. I'm 24 on 1 and 23 on the other 3. :(

Bro i lvld 3 chars in 3 days from 1 to 23 so its easily doable, and i havent even played alot.

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I have 164 influence points and have played this game since its release.  I hope that you will strongly consider what I have to say about this matter.  A full wipe is tantamount to a punitive action against those who paid for the game and invested time building their characters.  I, and I am sure many others in my situation, will consider a full wipe a slap in the face.  We are being punished for investing time and offering meaningful insight into the development of the game; whereas, those who are new to the game want everyone brought down to their level rather than working like we did to get where we are.  I am fairly confident in assuming that the majority of the players who want a full wipe are not those who have invested a major amount of time in the game, but those who have invested a minimal amount of time.  A player becomes proficient in this game not by skill, rather by amount of time farming.  I can have all the skill in the world, but if a player has stronger gear, their gear will trump my skill any day of the week.  If there is a new leveling system, then most of the gear we acquired at level 25 would be meaningless at say level 35.  For example, if I were at level 25, would I keep armor from level 12 which is considerably weaker?


By the looks of things, my opinion is meaningless as a full wipe seems to be winning.  While I understand and appreciate your willingness to consider the "will of the people", please consider that history shows this not the best option.  For example, if a teacher asked his or her students if they wanted a free day or to learn a particular concept accompanied with a homework assignment, then put it to a vote and let the students decide, we all know what the result of the teacher's query would be.  My point is this should not be a voting an option.  This is a time when you, the game developers, need to make an executive decision and do what's best not what a group of people with limited information have to say about the game.


I thoroughly enjoyed DDI and was excited about the release of DDII and hope that, regardless of the voting results,  you will come to the following conclusion: A full wipe is not the best option and is not the best way to repay those who have helped financially back your game.  A full wipe would be demoralizing to your more experienced players and I would assume frustrate them and cause them to quit the game entirely.  Yes, I understand that we are probably in the minority and there will be countless others to take our place.  Yes I know it was a pre-alfa and this was a distinct possibility.  I get all of that.  I a merely stating that a full wipe is not a logical thing to do and reset everyone-especially those who have invested time in the game.  And no offense, but a special skin to show I wasted time and money building a character to only have it completely reset isn't necessarily a badge of honor, nor something which others would covet.  

Very well said. Couldn't have but it better. I have also been looking at this particular Influence vote as a more "Illusion of Choice" to the players. If the Dev's have any confidence that they can come up with a bare minimum solution to satisfy both parties, why not do it.

I had a fairly long discussion with some of my other friends and the more we talked about it, the more pointless and upset it made us. Keep in mind this is also when we're still grinding for Tokens with the hopes that they will be preserved.

This voting system is probably better for use in polling the users for preference that both choices benefit all players in different ways, rather than this which is putting players in 2 camps against one another. Case in point, the Influence Vote for World Lore, Red vs. Purple or Crafter vs. Enchanter were good executions.

I Implore you Trendy, come up with a better solution, and don't take this vote at face value.

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@arlequin quote:

i think trendy should make a discution with the defence council we are the poeple who have play the longest and so we are more interested they should take the time to ear us

I think it should be everyone to vote, thats why I like influence, everyone makes a difference, no matter how many points you put in. (I am Defense Council, for some reason it doesn't show it, I'll have to contact support.) But when we started playing, we were more so testing, and from what it seems, designing other things as well, the 4 tower skins I guess were made by the Council, but I can't remember for sure.

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This is probably the most exciting news i have heard on DD2 in awhile. Me and my Daughter are SO stocked for this new patch. I honestly have not played in probably a month due to the thought of losing all i have worked for. I am pulling for a full wipe so I can start fresh with my daughter and we can both lvl up to 50 as a major tag team threat. She brings the muscle I got the builds. Will the new hero deck be in this patch btw? Be nice to work out strats that involve all 4 heros =)

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@EviLGreeNPenguiN quote:

I do hope all the people who keep repeating the "it's alpha" mantra will be posting plenty of disappointment if/when a patch/update is released that has a game breaking bug once the game is fully released. Like if I don't see at least 10 threads of 150 posts a piece demanding someone's head on a pike then you'll just look like fanboys.

after all if they can do no wrong due to the game being in alpha stage then once it's fully released they should have their *** together and not make a single mistake right?

All these flavors, and you choose to be salty.

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DD1 player with 1770 hours and a mere 146 in DD2 thus far.

My two cents:

It'd be nice to keep wyvern tokens ONLY due to them being the only way to acquire ubers (it's super annoying it's the only way). If alternative ways of getting ubers shows up, then I could care less about wyvern tokens.

It'd be nice to keep unlocked skins and bag space.

Reset everything else (including giving us back collector's edition gems). It sucks to have zero gems after three days of play, despite only spending them on bags and costumes.

A haiku to mark the event:

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You can wipe it all.

Everything can go now.

I just want my gems.

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When did we vote on whether or not we wanted a wipe? I remember the devs saying that there wouldn't be a wipe unless an overwhelming amount of the community wanted one.
Also, the difference in wipes is so small that it's not even worth voting on...all the full wipe does is create slightly more hassle for the Council and Preorder players who now have to collect all their stuff again, but it doesn't actually remove anything extra.

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I have been playing DD2 since it came on steam so as long as i get something to commemorate that or like extra bag space then everything else can go

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I hate how we have to level up to 25 to get a costume for our characters and the Points that Leveling takes a very long time to do and the point that Multiplayer games suck because you can just never get into a good one that doesn't have little kids screwing around...

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